okay no
problem I'll provide you the beginning
of the video so you can publish it
all
set thank you
Ross um I uh I'd like to make a motion
that item five uh we need to remove that
from the the agenda uh it wasn't
properly published um hasn't been in the
past year either uh there's two case
studies that specifically uh refer to
the uh the 8e both of which uh one uh
when examining MCL 15 2671 MCL 15268 e
and MC1 15269 together is clear
legislator intended the public bodies to
name the pending litigation before
ending a closed session it's supposed to
be published prior to us entering that
um I can give you another case study
that one was Mia versus delta um again
here's another one um another one we're
examining MC
267 uh 1526 71 1526 e um together it's
clear both of these said the same thing
legislation said it was very clear that
you have to name what the uh the the
litigation is clearly and who it's for
you can't just put uh we're going to
enter it for litigation purposes and it
has to be properly
I've got those question St chuck if You'
like them par it right here for
you uh Chu yeah I didn't see what's on
just it's to discuss litigation it needs
to litigation what was actually with
litigation we were discussing should
have been included in that that line
item when it was uh sent out in the
packet uh then I would chuck speak in
the mic so the uh I would put it on for
the agenda you again I just requested to
be removed from this one as all at this
point so that it'll be posted correctly
correct okay then what was wrong with it
h I'm the poting it has to clearly State
what the litigation is it can't just say
litigation it's been incorrect for the
last I don't know how many years that
they went into close session it actually
has to site yes that
it's been in violation of the the open
meeting act every time they've did with
a Clos session for at least the last
four years I know
of let's just remove it from the agenda
and we'll put it on and we'll get it
corrected well we'll have to have a vote
on it we got made a
motion
support Chuck before we vote on that I
need to hear from you I think that's a
good idea for tonight okay I I will yeah
just to take it off tonight and then put
it on the next agenda
and I will double check on on what he
saying I'll be happy to hand these to
you if you want here's both case studies
with the litigation and what uh the
outcome was of
it save you some time have to try thank
you all right can we get a vote then to
remove
that yes and uh yes hi yes
all right all yes okay so that's off the
agenda for
tonight all right uh any other changes
to the
agenda then make a motion to accept as
uh modified
second uh all in favor I I I
oppose all right uh um approval of the
consent
agenda um minutes of uh the January
7th are you going one by one or just as
a package because I have a question
about the third
one so well let's look at questions on
each one any questions on the regular no
any questions on the treasures
report no any questions on the clerk's
warrants and bills yes and what is that
chis on the check register I think
that's under the clerk's well Jennifer's
not here but if somebody else knows
perhaps uh there's two entries one for a
Shoemaker Services Inc M for
$1,120 that's sh e maker and there's
another one uh shoe maker Technology
Group that's s h u m a k r for 39 uh
3995 uh I'm not sure what they're two
separate companies one is for snow
removal for the first shoe maker like
shoe is for snow removal snow removal
for a parking lot and for an sad the
second one that you see the Technology
Group that is for our website the
website are these monthly fees then or
no this is the Technology Group the
39.95 that is
for all of
last year up to was it
October okay so a big part of the year
then it's okay well I just wanted to
make sure since it was a monthly report
I want I didn't know if it uh so let me
understand that approximately 4,000 is
for a
quarter no that's for the entire three
quarters of the Year oh three quarters
oh wow okay okay and it's improving yeah
yeah it's it's get better and better
well well this was they had not build us
at all since the new website was created
and so this is all of that cost all
right as well as three quars of the Year
okay I saw some early entries around 12
to $1,400 very early on when we first
engaged them but that's why the the jump
just made me question so I just want
thank you for the clarification well
there there wasn't Shoemaker technology
charges other than aide for our
licensing agreements which is now done
under our it okay so that's what you
seeing but this is a completely
different charge got thanks for the
explanation I appreciate and so as you
see on this check register this is
something that I print out that it's a
Clerk's warrants and bills Y and so all
of these charges these are the bills
that I pay each month Perfect all right
thank you very much so they're not only
necessarily a monthly bill it's just
what was paid the month yes okay
yes that was it for me Greg on that so
all right all set all right well then uh
let's uh I'm looking for a uh motion to
approve the consent agenda all three
items under it so moved support all in
favor I I and
post all right uh
Communications um are there any
questions in the monthly Finance
Financial I had one question but since
Jennifer's not here I'll uh I'll email
her directly to see if I can get it
answered and it's about our contingency
percentage uh for cash on hand but I
I'll defer that question all right how
about uh Planning Commission meeting
synopsis Planning Commission approved
minutes we all set there yep all right
Livingston County Sheriff report uh I do
have
have something I would like to
say um I was looking at the
uh all all 13 townships in the county
and uh I
noticed that the sheriff response time
for our
Township is the best of all
13 thank you
guys 21 minutes 21 minutes the next
closest Township is 26 minutes so way to
go you guys now that is the contract
time that they're
on the non-contract
time we're in the middle of the pack not
so good but still uh a great job guys
thank you where's Ryan Josh oh all right
thank you
Ryan all right I uh am looking for a
motion unless there's any other
questions or comments for uh approval on
the
communications make a motion to approve
support all in favor I I
I all
right so moving on to public
comments and please state your name yes
sir
glad to talking here yes yes because the
video ohood audience can't hear you if
you don't thank you uh my name is bradz
I live around in tyone
Township um my comment today is
regarding I do watch the videos at home
I got two young boys and so I'm going to
leave right after this public comment uh
but I like to P bed at night which
obsess me I to come up here in the first
place on such a snowy nasty evening but
um um I heard some grumblings at the end
of last meeting um as much of a uh
whether it was grumbling something
formal something that might be in the
works I'm not sure but it's to speak to
Chris Retta um and the removal of him
from the Planning Commission um as the
what I understand is you're leaon from
the board to the Planning Commission is
that correct yeah ex official okay
okay it's a formal term um I've got to
say in the what six five six years I've
lived here um well Chris and his wife
are I would
say you got to you got to make it quick
Brad cuz I don't believe this
is uh part of uh first public need to be
the uh regards to the agenda correct oh
I'm so sorry sorry I just wanted to go
on record and say that I feel safer I'm
having chrisy on the Planning Commission
having him be the on from the board and
thank you that's all thanks thank you
yes sir sorry about that proed yeah
okay are there any other public comments
uh regarding the
agenda we got we got two hang on hang on
sorry if that microphone's on or not I
don't know it's not on turn it
on could we do I turn it I switch it on
I'll do it
there let's do a sound
check there you go
hi I've been watching the videos too
what a disgrace the three people who are
censored are and on the agenda I highly
recommend the training cuz there you
know for you three that are in trouble
what a horrible representation of the
township you guys are fodder for the
hotline and so is the guy who thre said
he eliminated the cats thank you
anybody else Janette
Janette so I guess we can talk about
anything not just on the agenda no okay
try you need need to stop it
then please um my name's Janette and I
would like to address the ongoing issues
on Hogan Road which is on the agenda
tonight okay um caused by the Gravel Pit
traffic for one thing and problems that
residents have been bringing up four
years um the traffic is out of control
signage is unclear or missing and I know
that because I just drove it again last
night um in the snow and accidents
including a tragic death have made this
road dangerous on top of that residents
are living with constant dust noise and
a diminished quality of life I really
would like everyone on the board to just
imagine yourself sitting out on your
patio on your desk
and going back into your house on a
beautiful uh day in the summer but you
can't stay out there because you're
being bombarded with dust and noise and
I did make a video of it and it's
horrible what goes on there um the three
returning board members have heard these
concerns over and over during the last
Administration and yet nothing was done
so it's time for the new Administration
to take action if the solution isn't in
your jurisdiction then why don't we
petition the county or the state or
whoever is is responsible for it I'd
like to see our board advocate for the
people you represent they shouldn't feel
ignored or forced to move away just to
escape these conditions and I talked to
a young man who lived on that road last
year was talking to him about the
problems he ended up selling and moving
out of the township and he said to me I
can't trust that my Township would do
anything to help us with this
problem so he sold his home and he moved
this board has an opportunity to show
real leadership on an issue that has
been ignored for far too long and I
really believe it's time to act again I
ask you all to imagine what this would
be like investing money in a place and
thinking that your life is going to be
spent here and then having your comments
and concerns continually ignored and so
I hope that you'll you'll all work
together to try and do something about
the
situation okay
Scott Scott dri O Lake Road um I asked
Mr fiser the attorney for the
um gravel pits about the situation on
Hogan
Road because there was um we determined
that the application process might go
through
Eagle so Kevin told us that eagle was
out checking all the dust doing test and
they said the test come back positive
well I felt that that's a conflict of
interest that Eagles going to give out
the application and come down and do all
the testing so I asked Mr fiser
shouldn't we get our own independent
invest investigation and Mr fiser said
yes he recommended it Chris I think you
remember that so on too with us he's on
as well so he's listening yeah I know so
I I'm sorry I didn't know that
appreciate that um and I said I think we
owe these residents on this
street the process of getting a good
solid Health and Welfare test on what's
damage is doing to the houses The Lawns
and their health so I think we owe it to
them get that independent check thank
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you thank
you anybody
else all right we will move into
unfinished
business you have anything
we'll move right into uh to new business
then and the uh number one item here
workshop for board members to learn to
work together as a
team I have
any comments about
that on the board as the resident said
and I believe
um I called the city of Fenton I called
seven different places to have this
meeting and the City of Fenton agreed to
let us use their conference room for
free on that
day so that saved money right there
anywhere from $200 to $700 for a full
day that the City of Fenton will allow
it for
free um I guess I'll speak a minute just
because I put together the slides that
are in the packet and
um Greg you and Jennifer and I had that
recorded Zoom that was shared with the
rest of the board and Mr Bender just to
better understand the work that he
does
um he works all over the state with
municipalities to try to
help boards like ours uh
establish ground rules that everyone can
come to the table and agree upon and
improve
efficiency
um and I know I know this board has
gotten off to a really rough start but I
don't think there's
any board member here that doesn't have
the best interest of the township at
heart
um and I
just I think we're all going to be very
disappointed if we accomplish nothing
because we can't communicate and we
can't figure out how to work together
and so to me me I know Greg I've heard
you
say that you had a great deal of value
in Education and Training you and I
share that
um I think there's been a lot of wasted
time and spending in the last two months
over
conflict if we're going to invest in
something I think it should be something
proactive that's going to help us figure
out how
to sit down and figure out what goals we
have for this community and get to work
um
so that's just my my personal hope um
which is why this is the resource I
found that was highly regarded used by
numerous municipalities in the
surrounding
areas
um so I guess I I don't know how other
people are feeling and what you're
aiming for but I'm opening up that
discussion
comment yeah I'll definitely go a few I
have a few comments go ahead I I'll
close if you want to go I'm gonna close
all right um well I'm going to I'm going
to pose this item because I have some
really strong reasons to do so
um I've attended many workshops like
this in my Global role over the years
matter of fact this same one at least
twice that I know of in my 37e career
and uh this is a
an older uh type of Workshop it's uh
there's three primary reasons and I'll
get to the point one team building
workshops are not necessarily the
solution especially um with regard to uh
what the experts say uh we have Mark mle
who's a project management expert the
most popular model of Team development
doesn't actually do what it says the
stages are not linear clear consistently
follow
proportional in time nor anywhere near
as well defined as the model
presumes Studies by the defense
acquisition University found that only
2% of teams actually follow tuckman
stages in sequence most teams experience
dynamics that are far more complex and
nonlinear and the conflict doesn't get
resolved in a workshop uh it does
require open honest conversations of
course that's I agree with that but
these sessions can't provide uh
resolution I think that Workshops can
also make things worse and if they're
designed to to uh be a consensus
building consensus is not something that
necessarily is leads from a healthy
Township Board without differences of
opinion that uh where people have it's
very difficult to uh to understand or
try to agree and and the goal for this
particular training in my experience is
about consensus building and not solving
the problem of mistrust and things of
that nature so this uh these sessions
encourage group think group think is is
very much a prevalent here uh and it
desires for agreement outweighs critical
thinking and better decision making and
I do disagree with the the presumption
that if we don't come together through
this training or some sort of training
that we can't function as a team we can
absolutely function as a team we are
here to discuss the sides of all issues
that are out there and that's going to
require us to have conflict conflict
will be part of this you cannot
eliminate it in that sense so I don't
think it's a responsible spend today of
the of the taxpayer dollars the
$3,500 that are on the table um they're
uh they're really not designed to solve
the conflicts and we have to solve the
conflicts in this Township
first before addressing this kind of a
workshop and I think we have serious
conflict right now going on with the
cental resolutions that has to be really
overcome before we do anything else uh I
I just I don't see this as being the
solution to this problem I've
experienced experienced this training
before it doesn't provide the critical
thinking and uh and it focuses more on
group thinking and uh uh building
consensus which is not what we're here
to do so what Solutions do you propose
Chris well I propose first of all not
creating conflict
unnecessarily that would be the first
one uh and the uh the idea of the
getting over the uh over the censor
resolutions and getting a full vetting
of our letter in the next meeting is a
good place to start and then we'll take
it from
there how do you propose that uh we work
on building trust what do you have any
ideas or thoughts on that is there
anything
anything that you've seen out there that
can help us I will absolutely make very
solid recommend ations once we're Beyond
this initial trust
issue I know that the censure is not
really what we're talking about here and
I know that it does factor into this
discussion right and the ability to move
forward I'm just kind of remind you that
that came from actions that the three of
you took that put us in that
position so it's not that it is personal
it is not that
um certainly not that's something I
wanted to be dealing with out of the
gate either so we have some work ahead
of us yes we
do as as far as my opinion of it um I
quite honestly was waiting to see
whether there would be willing to talk
about the C the letter from our attorney
um on this centure if they had have been
willing to do that I might have been
more willing but have they proven quite
distinctly that they do not want to work
with us yet or they would have listened
we would had a discussion on on the
letter from our attorney by turning that
down that tells me they only want to
work with us if we do what they want I'm
not willing to do that sorry I I don't
think that's true and I think in the
spirit of
transparency it is appropriate that we
provide documentation in every board
packet for every topic of discussion and
so that would be the proper way to do
that the goal was you Mr Reta you wanted
it published it will be published as
documentation supporting our agenda so
it's not that we're not willing to work
or have that conversation just not now
in the spirit of transparency that's a
public document we must share and again
when that gets published we have the
discussion I may feel differently that
you guys are willing to work and then I
may be more act to be willing to to
discuss the the team build because
that's my perfect point and that's what
my point was when you I appreciate your
point and that and there are several
things that we do need to discuss and
communication is part of that um you
yourself Mr H uh you informed me that
you couldn't be emailed um or that you
could be emailed but you have no
computer to check your email and that we
cannot contact you through your phone Mr
Reta you said
likewise how can we communicate with you
email and that and that's the issue that
that's what Chuck said last meeting he
said the email Township
Communications and we satisfied that
right but if there's an emergency in the
township we have to be able to get a
hold of you you know if if uh the
supervisor needs support hey look you
guys voted down issuing cell phones and
any other devices to get a hold of us
and so well we've provided you with with
the emails y but as I said uh Mr hos
stated he doesn't have a computer he
can't check his
email
so in this Spirit of working together as
a team and communicating we we have to
get past those issues and so you know
I'm a little offended that you're saying
we don't want to work with you I do want
to work with you I have no issues
working with you but we have to be able
to
communicate that's a starting point
right there is communication so far have
you had any issue getting any
information me that was necessary for me
to
have no I'm thank you but you're
skipping the point if there's an
emergency it if I send you a letter in
the e in the mail or email you're not
going to see that so can we can we get
back on topic uh well this is part of
the topic conversation and we had I had
a long conversation you told you exactly
what I would do to try to make that
easier I told you I'd stop on my way
home from work two three times a week
you're only open four days a week
okay that wased I I would just like to
um
close on this uh item number one I uh
I've been thinking about this for quite
some time and uh
obviously and uh the voters uh they
voted for for people they thought could
all work
together and so I I have a really hard
hard time asking them to pay for our
training
so that we can work
together and
so uh I am proposing that the only way I
can really support this is if all seven
of us pay for it out of our pocket
$3,500 divided by 7 is an easy number
$500 a
piece I will support it if you all want
to pay $500 a piece out of your pocket
to do this training I don't I don't want
to put the put that burden on the on the
residents I think it's unfair it's not
500 it's 500 plus my day away from my
job that I don't get paid for so it's a
lot more than just 500 but I'm not
worried about the money as much as the
principle and the effectiveness of
training I understand that Chris just to
let you know I'm just telling you where
I'm coming from what about when we were
in the zoom call that was recorded and
you stated we couldn't do this fast
enough and you I don't think you heard
me I've had I've been thinking about
this for quite some time since the zoom
call and I just do not think it's fair
to put the burden of this on people who
voted for you thinking we could all work
together that's unfair it's unfair to
them the taxpayers have been burdened
with excessive legal fees Greg with now
two trustees and a supervisor
threatening to SU do the township is
that I am not in that lawsuit don't
there you go there you go saying stuff
that's not true you're named in the last
paragraph unless I misread that I am not
part of that lawsuit I have not even
talked to that
attorney I don't even I've never even
met him I am in the letter the letter
clearly states representing
Chris misrepresenting things I don't
need you to yell at me okay I
misunderstood because you maybe you
aren't aware that you are named in the
last paragraph and that is on me we will
further discuss it at the next meeting
but my point is if we're concerned about
taxpayer dollars we are we have to talk
about the big picture here the big
picture if
taxpayers if
taxpayers
are thinking about how their tax dollars
are
spent it's either going to be in this
spiral of conflict and legal battles or
it's going to be working toward making
things
better and Chris if you have better
resources than this by all means please
bring them to the
table so what do we table this until
Jennifer's
back vote what do you want to
do I would say we need to table it cuz
um I mean it's her $500 I'm asking for
too
so just on a side note of that um you
know training is paid for by the
township and so I just want to add that
in there that this is
training so from that
perspective it it differs from your
opinion right there okay um it that's
well taken you know it use took took
some training with MTA that was paid for
by taxpayer dollars um you know any
training that any board member Planning
Commission member or you know elected
official in the office takes that is
covered by the
township I make a motion we table this
we've got a gentleman waiting who ask
important Township business that we need
to do um for another time support all in
favor I
all
right moving on to item
two all right thanks I um hold on um
Ross is there something we need to do to
get Mr Fisher online for this the hog Ro
thing right what we're discussing he
should be there
and can you hear us Mr fiser yes I can
thank you all right perfect just want to
make
sure thanks um all right Hogan Road
discussion yes so let me introduce the
topic since I was the one who asked for
it uh as the ex official uh to the
Planning Commission um the topic of of
Hogan Road came up during the extractive
Industrial um uh discussions and
ordinance talk with the which Mr Fischer
has kindly contributed his time and
value in helping the Planning Commission
craft and so uh the planning uh
commissioner uh I'm sorry the uh the
chair chman uh Mr Ward indicated that a
discussion about Hogan Road truck route
needed to be handled at the board so I
took that as the ex officio to get this
on the agenda for discussion here at the
board uh since that was not something he
said that the Planning Commission would
uh discuss or or take care of so that's
why we're here um a couple of things uh
and and thank you for uh Ross and Pam
for putting in the documentation uh that
talks about the the legal grounds of uh
the truck route's existence going back
to 2002 at least uh so I appreciate that
and um with with regard to uh court
order uh at the time for um for what
appears to be a company called uh spring
aggregate which I understand no longer
uh owns that uh Mining facility today
it's another company called
gbh G gbh thank you very much so um in
bringing this together a couple things
that I thought I would just try to keep
in my um in my introduction here
is I'm really
interested we we're not here to break a
court order if the court says we have to
have a truck route we have a truck route
we do have in reviewing doing ordinance
number 38 we have lots of truck routes
in the township so we we possibly need
to get the Planning Commission to
readdress the truck routes because
there's at least five of them so um and
not really reflective of what we have
and could expose us uh to additional
problems with the uh the uh gravel pick
going in in Hartland at Denton Hill and
uh holzworth so we we really need some
work there but the the key would be here
is to try to understand uh if there's
something else we can do to reassess the
situation the the court order uh may
just be related to establishing the
truck route so we we that's something we
have to validate even if it can't be
challenged it's a truck route period um
we do things there's other things like
speed limit enforcement and is it
optional to pave and I'm not suggesting
that any of these are things that I
would support but uh maybe we need to
look at engaging uh an expert in
extractive industrial and probably truck
routes Mr fisers who's here's with us so
even in this discussion is to have
potentially have Mr fiser he's done an
excellent job for us on the ordinance
look at this whole landscape of
information including the or I mean you
are an attorney Mr Fischer so um that
might be some assistance it's not uh so
that's part of the discussion and see if
we can at least understand what the
finalities of the things we can and
cannot do uh I know that my wife and I
drove uh Hogan Road last night we have
truck route signs that are marked with
30 mph speed limits on every truck
except for one we we know that the the
one nearest to uh uh old 23 is not is
doesn't have it but but there's a 25 mph
sign so we know there's a truck speed
limit but there's questions about that
because what do they do if they don't
follow it and things of that nature all
of these particular things There's an
opportunity for us to go beyond just the
fact that there's a court ordered making
it a truck route to see what we can do
to help the residents out and that's
what I'd like to just introduce as far
as this
topic your
thoughts on the board
is there a reason this guy's on the line
why is he on the line is he the expert
he is ant hear from him yeah matter of
fact he is okay I'd like to hear from of
fact he is okay I'd like to hear from
him okay Mr Fisher yes thank you thank
you uh I have uh uh Ross sent me the
2002 court order uh and um I did hear I
had had the benefit of hearing some of
the comments made at the last meeting at
the Planning Commission meeting and so
it gave me a little bit of of insight on
things I also had the opportunity to go
online and uh at Google Maps and look at
uh at the
situation and uh it looks like part of
the road is paved and part of it is not
paved and um and and my understanding
that this manufactured housing project
has uh has uh uh ballooned up to some
degree putting more traffic uh on on the
road and uh and so and you have this
this order there somewhat complicates
things but but maybe provides a good uh
a runway for uh landing on on this uh
topic uh if you look at the
law uh the law uh state law and it's
part of the traffic code
uh
basically uh gives both the township and
the County Road Commission the authority
to uh
establish uh reasonable regulations for
truck
rids and uh looking at the court order
the court order gives respect
to uh the ordinances of both townships
that you have as that pass through uh
Tyrone Township from Deerfield Township
your your neighbor and
um uh and I know that uh reading the
order there is reference to an
earlier uh permit called an interim
permit that the road commission issued I
don't know whether that's been updated
and my my assumption is that it has been
updated and that's something to to uh to
determine as part of an
investigation but the really interesting
thing about this the state law is that
it doesn't designate that the road
commission has full Authority or that
the township has full Authority it
basically calls
for uh a uh Cooperative effort between
the two two
entities and so uh I mean my thought is
is um what is needed here is uh as
indicated in in the
uh the preliminary discussion is that
some investigation needs to be done uh
to essentially
establish what the situation is here in
the township based upon the current
conditions now you couldn't do that very
well right now probably because uh the
trucks aren't running so you may have to
wait until until uh the uh gravel mining
season opens up well they're they're
running right now rning they're
running well they might be running but
they may not be running uh at
full uh capacity yeah true okay yeah I
me I going be wrong about that but but
uh they I think the construction
season um
uh calls for more traffic Road building
calls for more traffic uh gravel sanding
gravel traffic and all that kind of
thing and
um uh so but but that would provide some
opportunity to find the right person to
do the
investigation uh and get some facts and
and it sounds like there are some very
very uh relevant facts here that that uh
are somewhat compelling that some relief
is
needed uh now you have the order and it
it isn't a matter of needing to follow
the order as it is because I mean that
order is 20 plus years old uh entered at
a different time so to speak and um uh
in the in the court rules as your
attorney has has mentioned to you the
court rules contemplate the possibility
of modifying
uh this type of of court order uh I
think the the likelihood of success in
the a modification like that uh would
require first uh having the township go
to the road commission uh after doing an
investigation uh presenting them with
the state of facts and and all of that
and um indicating that you'd like to
work with the road commission to modify
the ORD and that modification could take
any number of
forms um and when you could limited the
amount of traffic um the amount of of uh
trucks over a certain weight I mean
gravel trucks are very very heavy
extraordinary uh extraordinarily heavy
and you could try to limit the number of
of trucks on that road or as mentioned
probably the best solution and I don't
know how long
this gravel operation is going to
continue uh looking at at with the
aerial photograph
online um I mean it looks like it's had
quite a bit of mining done already and
uh uh so I I don't know what their what
their inventory of resources left on
that property is uh and of course that
would be one of the relevant things to
determine in an investigation
to find out how much effort you should
make depending upon how much longer
they're going to be in business uh but
uh if they're going to be in business
for a longer time then Paving that road
is not out of out of the question and
I'm not suggesting that the township
should pay for
it uh the court order basically
contemplates the operator of that Gravel
Pit uh pay money to maintain the road
now maintain is it seems from from this
testimony and so forth that we've heard
so
far uh and I'm just to some degree uh
speculating of course because I don't
know all the fact but it seems to me
that that uh the road as it's currently
maintained obviously is not maintained
adequately and uh and it may it may not
be feasible to maintain it adequately
with all the traffic on it and
particularly all the trucks that are
passing over it it may require payment
and and and I would suggest that that uh
the road
commission uh would have the authority
to lean on that on that gravel operator
to do the payment to to finance the pay
now it's possible that that the township
could assist in that process process
by
uh again if if the if the process the
operation is going to continue for a
long time uh the to Bay assist by
issuing a uh a special assessment
reading a special
assessment uh and then bonding pay
Paving the road and then the grapple
operator could pay a certain amount each
year uh in installments to pay off the
bond uh and that you May well be uh the
best solution uh to this situation now
if the road commission won't cooperate I
mean that then would kind of put you you
know have you'd have to shift gears and
go back to court and uh you'd be able to
tell the court that you were Tred to
achieve the road commissions cooperation
and haven't been able to get it uh and
here is are the the conditions that
essentially sound to me like nuisance
public nuisance conditions which are
like you know the worst thing known to
bind and um uh and
so you you be able to ask the court to
amend the order to require the road
commission to uh have them pay the road
of of uh and offer the the Township's
cooperation
uh in the financing process with with a
special
assessment uh so you know without
without the paving
um it seems to me that that you're
you're you're allowing this operation to
take people's property away from them
and uh although again I don't know all
the details but it sounds like that and
when you know when when
inadequate uh r ation and control occurs
and people are allowed to do that that
uh that gives rise to the opportunity
for a court to step in and and uh take
charge of it but you know as I said it's
been 20 plus
years uh and
um uh conditions have apparently changed
and the condition current situation is
conditions are unbearable
so you know people can't go outside at
their homes and things like that
and there have been uh fatal accidents
it's worth uh pursuing and so you know
my my suggestion is to number one find
find an appropriate expert that uh that
shouldn't you know cause cause the
township to uh go broke uh and then uh
formulates uh a position and and your
position made be in the form of an
amended ordinance 38 for Hogan
row and and there are other townships in
the state that have passed ordinances
for pass through
roads and so that's really what this
would amount to is that that the road
commission and and that's one of the
reasons why you have a Road Commission
because it you know it cuts across all
of the uh the political boundaries of
townships and uh and and they should be
they should be the
Peacekeeper uh and and Problem Solver in
a situation like this so uh so number
one is you know
great get it get a good expert to do uh
research and whatnot to uh uh put
together a package maybe an a vended
ordinance uh 38 U or something else and
take back to the road commission see if
you can get a deal with the road
commission
uh undoubtedly you want the gravel
operator to sit at the table at some
point in time and then
um uh if that doesn't work uh then then
go back to court to modify that
order that's so that's basically my my
recommendation uh on this
situation thank you Mr fiser maybe I'm
naive for asking this what kind of
expert are we looking for and what kind
of studies should we be asking for for
well I I would say like an expert
planner that um you know that that deals
with Community planning and and
Community conditions I to be the same
kind of uh uh expert and you you have an
expert already as far as I can tell uh
you know planning expert that I've seen
at some of your other
meetings um and um uh you know they
would be the they would
the type of expert that would
um uh give you recommendations if you
had a new a proposed grapple money you
know what what what would the conditions
be uh for authorizing this uh a gravel
mining operation using the hall rout
what what kind of conditions would be
placed on the use of the H and and
that's a you know a traditional
Community planning function
we also need like environmental impact
studies and dat data of that
nature um I think I would uh try to just
work with the planner first and I mean
the planner may say we need it but you
know I don't know all the conditions to
know for
sure that uh an environmental impact
study is needed but it's possible it's
I'm certainly not saying that you don't
need it but uh I think of you know
working with the planner first would be
uh
important I think it's been said in the
past too that we can't
regulate here because the gravel mine is
located in another community and what
I'm hearing you say is our Township does
have the right to some degree to
regulate a pass through route in
collaboration with the road commission
is that correct that's that's correct
and I mean when you think about it um
you know the T the the two things that I
have to say about that number one would
be um when an application is made for
gravel mining it's made to the to the
community where the Gravel Pit is
located but it's obvious that that uh
part of the consideration by Statute and
just about all ordinances is that you
have to look at the hall Road well the
hallroad doesn't end at township lines
and so uh you know that is something
that is uh must must be uh addressed and
the entity to address it would be the
township that is being
impacted uh the other part of that is
that um uh number two is that in the
2002 consent judgment both townships are
parties and so that's you know that's
already um uh something that's been
recognized
does anyone else have
questions nope not for him I do for
right uh Mr fiser this is Chris again um
is
there something else I have on my notes
was about to ask you about the
engineering of the road the capability
to handle the kind of traffic uh that's
there today and we have a bridge
involved uh that goes over a creek we
have uh you know the foundations of the
road as to uh playing a role uh over the
years to whether that can handle is this
something we would have to also engage
an engineering firm that would help us
to understand uh well in my my in my
opinion
um and I again I R all of facts but my
op is that that uh if you were able to
make this adequate case that this road
is inadequate now and needs to be
modified and hopefully
paved
um then the engineer that would create
the specifications for the paving or
Improvement would would do that study
okay so Mr fiser in in in an effort to
get the ball rolling on this
um uh I guess I'm uh I'm looking for uh
a motion to get
the uh ball rolling with the planning
um with our with our Planning Engineer
or what what what's your recommendation
here yeah your Township planner um and I
can't remember what the what the firm is
and McKenna uh and uh and I just by
coincidence I was working with a planter
from McKenna today and I know that and I
worked with the McKenna firm for many
years um is they they have a lot of
experts in various areas and uh you know
the the planner that might attend your
meetings could have all the expertise in
the world that you need on the other
hand there may be other planners uh in
that firm uh that that uh that could be
identified that would be you know the
best person to work on something like
this that it involves um impact on roads
all right so I mean that and and I would
talk to talk to to the you know the
person that is your representative and
this is a Planning Commission function
that we would engage them and have this
done through the Planning Commission do
you think or is this at LEL still okay
yeah i' say you know I mean the Planning
Commission is really in my in my
experience you know uh designed to deal
with with uh creating ordinances and uh
reviewing plans and you know Master
plans creating master plan and reviewing
development
proposals uh to make sure that they
comply with the master planine and
ordinances and and really this goes this
is really a
uh an after the fact problem solving
Adventure here that is uh more suited to
the Township Board okay thank you all
right I'll make a motion to engage
McKenna to help us yeah and I will re I
will reach out to
them McKenna to get the ball rolling if
you guys if you guys want me to I'll
second that motion yeah can in that
correspondence can we ask him to include
some kind of cost estimate too just so
we know when we discuss it again what
the scope of what we're asking them to
do and what it's going to cost
and yeah I mean I I don't know well we
have to go through requirements and
everything but that's absolutely
appropriate see if they absolutely we're
going to have to but let's give us that
uh you know I think this motion is just
to engage just to get stuff started
engage spend any money yet that's at Le
that's what I understood yeah but
because they may not want to do such a
thing so you know at least exactly begin
the conversation see what so I have a
motion be happy I'd be happy to
participate in a in a conference call or
Zoom call or something when you talk to
McKenna so that I can help put this in
the Conta that' be great thank you thank
you all right so I have a motion and I
have a second I want to ask Chuck a
question before Chuck we had this
brought up before on the last board I
mean there was things that we tried to
do we listen to the residents might talk
to the road
commission what can we do how come we
didn't do it then what happens now that
we can do
something there's no guarantee that
anything's going to change even when you
do the study if you do the study speak
to the microphone
please there's no guarantee that
anything's going to change even if you
do this study and it comes back with
some some really inflammatory
information however if you don't have a
study you have no chance because you
can't just go into the court and say
we've changed our mind that court order
that was entered in 2002 was a consent
order which Deerfield Township the road
commission Tyrone Township and the
gravel operator at the time so if we
don't go into court with something we
have nothing your best case scenario
would be to have a a study and then to
get all of the parties that are to that
consent order agree to whatever changes
we want you got to understand that if
what we want to happen negatively
impacts Deerfield Township they aren't
going to agree to it you got to believe
that if what we want is going to put a
strain on the road commission's budget
they're going to fight it but if you
don't do the study you have no chance to
get things done by going to the court
you do the study if you have powerful
things if there's things that you can
get uh Deerfield Township to agree to
the county to agree to perhaps you can
do it by consent but to have the order
just simply changed because it's not
going to
happen Okay so what was the motion
motion was to engage McKenna to start
the discussion about this
topic about the uh truck route
specifically Hogan Hogan Road Hogan Road
truck route yes
correct and we have a second correct yes
I
second so we don't need to do a roll
call here we're not spending any money
so I'm just going to all in favor I I
oppose all right
uh can we uh let Mr fiser go if he needs
to you think yes Mr Fisher thank you so
much thank you very much okay we'll be
pleasure we'll be reaching back out to
you once we get something going with
McKenna okay I know knows just how to
get a hold of me and uh um it's been a
pleasure working with you tonight sir
thank you have a good
evening all right
uh moving on
to business item number three which is
the
uh resolution to uh establish the
guidelines for poverty exemption on the
property tax
um basically I I looked at that this
with uh Alexa and uh what we have done
in the past is we have uh typically just
followed the federal guidelines and uh
and increased the
uh the pro uh poverty dollar
amount um by what they do so uh I mean
other than that I I don't believe
there's any other changes to this
document are any
questions no no this is something that's
done on an annual basis yeah I have some
questions sorry no it's fine if I may do
we know how many exception poverty
exemptions we have today one we have one
so there's only hang on hang on
Alexa y since I've been here there's
been one applicant who applies every
year who qualified you you should
probably come up and talk in the mic so
that I I
know I know I'm
sorry that'll teach you to speak
H so so that the video audience can hear
you um we've had one applicant that
applies every year who qualifies who's
been granted it over the years there
have been maybe three applicants who
have just been way way higher and we
denied so do do we know if there's uh I
mean that sounds really low especially
even for our community of 12,000 people
it seems Seems like we might have more
people out there I would imagine but I
don't even get a lot of inquiries about
it and we don't advertise though right
it's not something it's on our website
we do the resolution every year is there
a relationship to the delinquencies tax
delinquencies in the in the township but
do any of those come through hardship
delinquencies or that's for anything
like that that's separate
I was just wondering because the if if
somebody is delinquent in their tax
payment I would imagine there's probably
some compelling reason and if it was
Financial loss of a job or other things
that could qualify somebody for a people
can apply for it but
okay and uh and have we ever have we
ever done a comparison to other
townships Like Us in the area as far as
where we are with the Federal minimum
exemption and stuff that's in the chart
um I've talked to other assessors and
I've looked at other municipalities in
the area and we're pretty much in line
with what our neighboring units
do have have we ever um so we're we're
just taking a minimum on the the federal
minimum as far as the poverty level is
we're using the federal income
guidelines right okay and and we we have
the ability though to raise that if we
felt like we should in the township
right could I mean there's not a law
that says that we would have to just
can't be lower than the federal just
can't be lower than the federal okay so
we're taking the Baseline which means I
think it was
14,000 something for one person in a
house 15 15 something around
that so
okay um all right I I just uh that's
that's helpful cuz this is my my first
time dealing with the poverty exemption
um and I would hope that we could I mean
I would hope we could Market this a
little better it seems like I mean I was
on the campaign Trail talking to
Veterans who own homes and other things
dis veterans they can apply of course
exemption as well that's something but
knowing that and knowing you know I mean
putting it on the website's a great step
don't get me wrong but just being able
to communicate uh these things maybe in
a newsletter or things like that that
people are getting could be in advance
to advances I'm not trying to say that I
I'm hoping we don't look at and the
reason I'm bringing it up is because
we're in hard Economic Times right now
this country in the last four years has
been brutalized economically and
anything we can do for our residents to
get out the message that if you are
suffering hard times because because of
a job loss or other things which a lot
of people are they may be able to take
advantage of this for a period of time
until they come off off that poverty
exemption criteria and that's why I was
that's the only reason I'm asking all
these other questions because I'm
curious to see if there's something we
could do as a Township to help the
residents uh that may qualify that
haven't come forward yet yeah you guys
want to put it in the
newsletter anything
yeah I mean most individuals in
general when you look at this poverty
level and what what they're eligible
for they understand what they're
eligible for if they're on assistance um
through the state um th this is
something they're familiar with um so it
is out there it's not you know a secret
um but in relation to what you were
asking Mr repetto about
um numbers and um helping more if you
look at it on this chart uh for a family
of eight the income is
52,7 120 so in our area there aren't
many
households even with one or two that are
at that income level so I guess I'm just
trying to explain to you that that is
why we only have one individual idea you
know um but I think what Alexa was
trying trying to um say with the Vets
that's a separate right no no no I'm
very familiar with the Michigan State
veterans and we yeah I've talked to a
number of people that take advantage of
that but um there there are also
veterans uh who are disabled after the
war which don't qualify for it but still
are paying taxes here and that might be
burdened with uh extra Road things
because their neighborhood got paved and
other things that that their their
sustenance may not and they don't know
about about it because when I talk to
them they they don't know so that's
that's why I'm just con I don't want to
make the Assumption and if there's two
residents or one resident out there that
could be helped by this is there a way
to be able to have some Public Service
Announcement during these tough Economic
Times to to help that it you know we can
find different ways to promote it yeah
yeah that's not an issue start by
emailing our Township email list and
then they could tell tell their
neighbors or like that these are all
ways that we could really get the word
out quickly and effectively uh with the
tools that we have right now you know
that wouldn't really be costly so but
but you brought up emailing residence um
so we do have a limit on how many emails
we can send out just so you're aware we
why because we pay for right X number
and that and so we when we send out an
email blast you know we have to be
mindful of that well all I'm saying is
that may be a good time to revisit how
many email blasts we allowed to for
these kinds of things I don't want to
use that cost I mean if it costs us an
extra $100 to communicate this important
program to our residents so that they
can tell you know they may not have
email but they may have a neighbor that
they could walk over and say hey look I
just heard about this program that that
would be my hopeful intention with uh
that level of communication so right
well I just wanted you to know that
there's things we have to change board
them yeah you know if you want to add
those are things to discuss could you be
able to tell us what it would cost to
have why have to get right right
increase in email out that for more
frequent emails of programs like this as
one one mechanism to do it if there's a
cost added to the newsletter uh that's
that's cord or what through their tax
whatever it might be uh you guys have
more experience on that on how we're
communicating but these might be good
ideas
okay all right all right thanks
Alexa all right so I'm
uh looking for a motion to accept the uh
I make a motion a motion to
resolve to establish guidelines for
granting poverty exemptions from
property taxes thank you we have to have
a roll call someone has to second
I'll second it
okay all
right and and now we'll have a roll call
her Ferguson yes GRE KS yes Jennifer
Eden absent Sarah dolman Jersey yes Dean
hos yes Chris Peta yes Pam mler yes
all right the uh last item on our agenda
is for new business is uh number four
the the quotes for carpet cleaning in
the meeting
room um I guess uh I'll let you take
over Pam here um you got you received uh
yep we have three quotes um one from
Annie's carpet cleaning for 8:35
535 um one from Crystal Clean Carpet
Care for
34220 then we have one from Fenton
Carpet Cleaning for
$450 what was the one we used before
here just under
$500 so the cost for us to post this was
$75
um you know to advertise that
so you used the middle one before we
have for this room right here
correct which one was that the middle
one the oh the Crystal
Clean no no we used modernistic they
didn't put a bed in this um cuz they
wouldn't see the bed in our local
newspaper or on our website a larger
company like that um typically
um we don't put anything under $500 out
for bed um but the board decided to put
it out for bid and that's why I
mentioned it was $75 it cost us sure to
put that out but we this way we did get
somebody loow it's right here in town
right is that these three a
local F area or no well I'm curious
one's in Fenton one's in Grand Blank and
I'm not sure
where Crystal where where is Crystal
they're not local they're not no no and
so for like the fat and carpet cleaning
it says
450 um so it's uh $50 cheaper however we
actually would spend $25 more after
publishing versus if I had just
contacted modernist that and said hey
come
in you know so so in the how
modernistic just under
500 so fat and carpet cleaning is $450
right plus it cost $75 so next time we
could probably just get F carpet to do
it and they're cheaper than
modernistic $50
cheaper but we haven't had them so we
don't know what well I they do a great
you know I know we'll have to see you
know um you know it's up but I think we
should I think we should go with fat and
carpet cleaning that's the one in the
middle the 835 is a bit hi the other one
I mean ultimately your guys uh goal was
to find someone local um so this other
one is not local so that's off the list
so that leavs fat and carpet
cleaning than I make a motion we accept
fat and carpet
okay I'll
second all
right all in favor I I
I okay
all right number five is off so uh I to
move
into miscellaneous
business we have
anything all right then I'll go to uh
the last public remarks here um Scott
Scott dri White Lake Road um I want to
get to this workshop for the board
members and we're going to go back to
the Planning
Commission where this all went down you
guys you three guys I mean you didn't
work together I mean I'm very dis I was
very disgusted with what happened that
night and we as heading out the
door Greg when you act back in your
office Chris you're heading out the door
after you guys you know it just the way
it went down and I even told you Chris
you better get in there there going to
be a
lawsuit since then it's been nothing but
there's been admissions there's been
doubling down a newspaper
article saying that you guys all
discussed it but Greg put
the letter out so I mean more and more I
hear it just keeps incriminating it even
more and now I'm here tonight we're
going to get sued and then we get
blackmailed that if you don't drop a
censor if you no if you would have
dropped a censor you'd vote for it the
training so I mean this is this no
that's what you said you said I said if
you would have been willing to discuss
okay whatever it just s it don't sound
it still sounds like it to me okay it
still didn't sound good letting go yeah
let me talk so anyways how do you work
together you you guys it wasn't bad
enough that you did that I was upset
about that but then you went to talk to
attorney the attorney that we hired
for the solar a solar attorney you
talked yeah you did okay that's what did
I heard so anyways Scott careful okay
anyways I'm just I'm okay be careful
that's right that's all I'm saying
that's right okay Greg but you did admit
careful you did admit the last meeting
that you reached out to that same Law
Firm for some guidance on an issue that
he's contracted to do
you did acknowledge that so this stuff's
going on so if you guys are going to
keep doing this stuff you need the
training I mean not not only did you
leave the four people out when you did
this the other board members you left
the community out the op meeting Act is
for us also you understand that it's not
just it's not just for three against
four it's for us that we're so we can
get some out you know in
and we know what's going on three guys
doing the stuff and doing the stuff on
the side ain't going to help us so yes I
think there's some kind of training you
always need
training to deny it I mean I don't want
to see more Lawes we can't afford it
here we've already we got too many
lawsuits now take responsibility for
what the past and get this behind
you I mean I don't you know it just
looks bad I mean I it doesn't take I've
been on J before and for what I've seen
in the film and what I've seen this I'd
say you did
it
okay can I say two things two topics on
Hogan Road sure sure okay Kevin Pierce
from Hogan Road um I've been on Hogan
Road getting close to 12 years and uh
I've came down to the
township uh enough times to where I was
told I wasn't welcome here
anymore so you know I've been
complaining a little bit about it so
here's the story I I went to Deerfield
Township to try to get some information
on the pit being spring aggregate versus
GBM which is the current resider and she
openly give me the special land use
permit for
GBM and how the road went through and
the clerks or the deputy clerk over
there told me the process of it so the
road was set up just so everybody knows
this when we get further down the road
and I'm really appreciative that we're
moving in a forward Direction on this
but uh the road is set up for 39 trucks
a day to go
down and uh now the road is set up for
150 a
day a maximum of 350 a week and it's
totally up to GBM to regulate that so in
combination with that we have 403 houses
in Tyrone Woods which puts a pretty big
strain on it too so the recourse is to
dump calcium chloride on the road
relentlessly to get rid of the Dust but
it doesn't do anything with everything
else so that's a huge topic that we need
to talk about because calcium chloride
is pretty harmful to a number of
different things and I went to the
planning meeting last week and I was the
one talking and uh I I was floored when
Mr fiser started talking about the new
extraction sites if they did this and
they did that they did different things
dust the ecological changes so on so
forth and I'm thinking where did this
guy come from he's he's saying exactly
what's happening to the one that's
existing so I don't see that there's a
problem with tightening up our
and the man that's coming down our
road 300 times a day so I I I said the
legal limit for him which he's the
police on his pit 150 a day and the main
topic
that uh the attorney here said fiser
said that
um they're only allowed to do San and
gravel well just so you know in the last
year and a half coming the other
direction from the pit has been ashalt
and concrete and that goes the different
direction and it gets mined at the pit
and then it gets sold and it comes back
the other direction so when they've when
he talks about the company using up all
the material at the site he's almost
there on those two sections but he has
another 80 acres to do after this one so
he's going to be there a long
time all right can I do one more it's
just a short one it's about the sewer
plant on the Hogan Road the sewer plant
has been broken for 20
weeks I have a $1,000 a year bill for
the sewer plant plus it cost me $225,000
to get hooked up to the
system when you turn onto Hogan Road and
I feel sorry for Pam because she's right
close to there it's an ungodly smell and
it's been there broken for 20 weeks and
I know this because the gentleman that
uh do you know it was broken
the gentleman that maintains that
building told me that the carbon filters
are broken and they're waiting on them
so when you go down past there with your
window open even tonight it's minus 3
right now be sure you have your windows
up because it's an ungodly smell that
you'll take all the way to your house uh
it it takes 15 minutes for your body to
regulate to a new smell so the people
that live across the street okay might
not smell it so much all right well I'm
I'm a I didn't
it's the first I've heard the sewer was
broken carbon fiber so let me
look
okay
in andu but we'll talk later okay all
right uh is there anybody
else
yeah follow protocol
here uh Ted Merc Hogan Road um on a
different note I'd just like to say
thank you to this current board for
pushing this item down the uh road
further than we've been able to do in
eight years that we've been throwing
ourselves up against a brick wall so
even just getting a study done is light
years ahead of where we've come so far
and the second point that I'd like to
make because I think it's critically
important um I'm not speaking for
everybody on Hogan Road but I've spoken
to a lot people on Hogan Road and I
don't think that anybody has an
expectation of it getting paved I don't
think that anybody wants to cost the
township or even the Road
Commission in the last Administration
I've heard from $2.5 million to $6
million whatever number you want to pick
it got bigger as we asked but the point
being we bought a house on a dirt road
we're perfectly fine with living on a
dirt road what we didn't buy is a house
on a residential road that is turned
into an IND industrial
driveway so I know a lot of you know
what's going on I just want to say I
appreciate you working on it um we've
been killing ourselves trying to get
things
done and I've certainly talked to
attorneys and stuff like that but the
bottom line is it's going to have to be
the Township Board working with the road
commission we always just wanted to have
the road Declassified as a truck route
um as it's been said before there's many
other truck routes and they're paved it
would cause GBM to reroute their traffic
and we Have No Malice against GBM but we
just don't want to deal with your daily
stuff as Kevin says you can't come out
of your driveway and when you do you
can't see for 10 minutes so it's just a
remarkable thing you'll see it when you
look at that
video um and there's also a PowerPoint
as I told Chris when I gave it to him
that we wanted to present to the board
in the past and we were just said yeah
we know it's a problem no need so please
if you need a point person when you talk
to this person that's going to
investigate by all means we will feed
them we will clothe them we will house
them they can move in for a while so
we'll help in any way we can thank you
very much thank you
Ted all right anybody else
all
right
oh and see you waving your
face uh Janette
Retta um the uh Hogan Road thing I'm so
glad that you guys are um listening and
um I will just say uh just confirm what
um teda said I've been here for a few
years and asked over and over again with
the last Administration and we're
basically
told that nothing could be done um I'll
go review the video minutes but I know
that that's what people were told and uh
we also had legal representation sitting
here too that agreed with the last
supervisor um I do want to talk about
transparency and tomorrow night is the
next Planning Commission Workshop it's
scheduled for 6:00 p.m. it's been on the
Township's calendar for several months
when you put your your meetings out
there uh probably for almost a year and
even at last week's Planning Commission
meeting they discussed the workshop
coming up tomorrow night and mentioned
they already knew what would be on the
agenda so it's clear this workshop and
its topics were known to the Planning
Commission well in advance of
today meanwhile there's been a lot of
talk about transparency under this
Administration and the clerk has
emphasized the importance of finalizing
agendas and avoiding last minute changes
well guess what despite knowing the
agenda items last week must have known
what was going to be on it the agenda
was not released to the public until
this afternoon at 3:15 p.m. is this
enough time for residents to prepare for
a meeting that could affect their
property use their property values the
health of their families and animals and
the environment is this what you call
transparency so my point is you had the
agenda items today you release the
agenda and you say but there's no packet
so you've had that
agenda who's responsible for ensuring
the documentation is submitted on time
for the agenda and if there's a strict
deadline for agenda submissions someone
didn't meet it so who's accountable for
that I'm requesting that you cancel the
meeting for tomorrow night and this is
the reason why I hate to see meetings
being cancelled but you didn't follow
your own rules about transparency and
deadlines and the short notice does not
give residents enough time to review the
documentation or prepare for the agenda
items even if you release the missing
documentation tomorrow morning that
still isn't enough time for residents to
engage meaningfully and many residents
may not even realize there's a meeting
because you didn't announce it until
late this afternoon so I would request
that you do that I think that's only
fair and it's in alignment with
everything else that you've talked about
transparency and another thing that
people need to know why Hogan Road is
concerned uh one of the other things
that they're concerned about many people
don't know that the Planning Commission
is looking to add another 160 acres to
the solar overlay map and that's going
to be right on Hogan Road it will be on
both sides of lynen Road and that
traffic and that uh the construction
everything is going to impact Hogan Road
even more so now the resident should
know and this is what's on the agenda
tomorrow night is looking at even more
land that's south of there people need
to know what's on this agenda they don't
know and I'm asking you in light of
transparency to be fair cancel the
meeting for tomorrow night thank
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you let's do that in case somebody else
I hope that you guys will discuss this
cuz that's
is there is there anybody
else nobody else all
right I'm looking for a motion for to
adjourn meeting I make a
motion a
second all in favor I
I all
right thank you
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