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okay no

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problem I'll provide you the beginning

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of the video so you can publish it

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all

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set thank you

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Ross um I uh I'd like to make a motion

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that item five uh we need to remove that

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from the the agenda uh it wasn't

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properly published um hasn't been in the

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past year either uh there's two case

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studies that specifically uh refer to

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the uh the 8e both of which uh one uh

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when examining MCL 15 2671 MCL 15268 e

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and MC1 15269 together is clear

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legislator intended the public bodies to

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name the pending litigation before

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ending a closed session it's supposed to

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be published prior to us entering that

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um I can give you another case study

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that one was Mia versus delta um again

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here's another one um another one we're

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examining MC

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267 uh 1526 71 1526 e um together it's

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clear both of these said the same thing

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legislation said it was very clear that

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you have to name what the uh the the

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litigation is clearly and who it's for

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you can't just put uh we're going to

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enter it for litigation purposes and it

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has to be properly

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I've got those question St chuck if You'

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like them par it right here for

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you uh Chu yeah I didn't see what's on

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just it's to discuss litigation it needs

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to litigation what was actually with

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litigation we were discussing should

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have been included in that that line

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item when it was uh sent out in the

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packet uh then I would chuck speak in

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the mic so the uh I would put it on for

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the agenda you again I just requested to

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be removed from this one as all at this

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point so that it'll be posted correctly

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correct okay then what was wrong with it

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h I'm the poting it has to clearly State

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what the litigation is it can't just say

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litigation it's been incorrect for the

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last I don't know how many years that

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they went into close session it actually

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has to site yes that

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it's been in violation of the the open

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meeting act every time they've did with

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a Clos session for at least the last

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four years I know

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of let's just remove it from the agenda

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and we'll put it on and we'll get it

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corrected well we'll have to have a vote

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on it we got made a

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motion

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support Chuck before we vote on that I

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need to hear from you I think that's a

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good idea for tonight okay I I will yeah

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just to take it off tonight and then put

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it on the next agenda

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and I will double check on on what he

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saying I'll be happy to hand these to

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you if you want here's both case studies

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with the litigation and what uh the

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outcome was of

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it save you some time have to try thank

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you all right can we get a vote then to

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remove

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that yes and uh yes hi yes

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all right all yes okay so that's off the

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agenda for

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tonight all right uh any other changes

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agenda then make a motion to accept as

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uh modified

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second uh all in favor I I I

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oppose all right uh um approval of the

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consent

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agenda um minutes of uh the January

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7th are you going one by one or just as

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a package because I have a question

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about the third

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one so well let's look at questions on

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each one any questions on the regular no

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any questions on the treasures

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report no any questions on the clerk's

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warrants and bills yes and what is that

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chis on the check register I think

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that's under the clerk's well Jennifer's

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not here but if somebody else knows

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perhaps uh there's two entries one for a

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Shoemaker Services Inc M for

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$1,120 that's sh e maker and there's

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another one uh shoe maker Technology

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3995 uh I'm not sure what they're two

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separate companies one is for snow

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removal for the first shoe maker like

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shoe is for snow removal snow removal

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for a parking lot and for an sad the

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second one that you see the Technology

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Group that is for our website the

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website are these monthly fees then or

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no this is the Technology Group the

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39.95 that is

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for all of

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last year up to was it

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October okay so a big part of the year

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then it's okay well I just wanted to

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make sure since it was a monthly report

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I want I didn't know if it uh so let me

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understand that approximately 4,000 is

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for a

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quarter no that's for the entire three

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quarters of the Year oh three quarters

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oh wow okay okay and it's improving yeah

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yeah it's it's get better and better

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well well this was they had not build us

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at all since the new website was created

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and so this is all of that cost all

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right as well as three quars of the Year

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okay I saw some early entries around 12

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to $1,400 very early on when we first

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engaged them but that's why the the jump

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just made me question so I just want

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thank you for the clarification well

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there there wasn't Shoemaker technology

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charges other than aide for our

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licensing agreements which is now done

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under our it okay so that's what you

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seeing but this is a completely

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different charge got thanks for the

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explanation I appreciate and so as you

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see on this check register this is

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something that I print out that it's a

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Clerk's warrants and bills Y and so all

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of these charges these are the bills

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that I pay each month Perfect all right

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thank you very much so they're not only

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necessarily a monthly bill it's just

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what was paid the month yes okay

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yes that was it for me Greg on that so

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all right all set all right well then uh

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let's uh I'm looking for a uh motion to

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approve the consent agenda all three

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items under it so moved support all in

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favor I I and

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post all right uh

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Communications um are there any

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questions in the monthly Finance

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Financial I had one question but since

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Jennifer's not here I'll uh I'll email

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her directly to see if I can get it

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answered and it's about our contingency

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percentage uh for cash on hand but I

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I'll defer that question all right how

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about uh Planning Commission meeting

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synopsis Planning Commission approved

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minutes we all set there yep all right

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Livingston County Sheriff report uh I do

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have something I would like to

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say um I was looking at the

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uh all all 13 townships in the county

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and uh I

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noticed that the sheriff response time

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for our

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Township is the best of all

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13 thank you

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guys 21 minutes 21 minutes the next

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closest Township is 26 minutes so way to

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go you guys now that is the contract

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time that they're

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on the non-contract

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time we're in the middle of the pack not

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so good but still uh a great job guys

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thank you where's Ryan Josh oh all right

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thank you

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Ryan all right I uh am looking for a

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motion unless there's any other

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questions or comments for uh approval on

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the

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communications make a motion to approve

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support all in favor I I

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I all

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right so moving on to public

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comments and please state your name yes

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glad to talking here yes yes because the

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video ohood audience can't hear you if

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you don't thank you uh my name is bradz

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I live around in tyone

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Township um my comment today is

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regarding I do watch the videos at home

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I got two young boys and so I'm going to

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leave right after this public comment uh

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but I like to P bed at night which

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obsess me I to come up here in the first

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place on such a snowy nasty evening but

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um um I heard some grumblings at the end

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of last meeting um as much of a uh

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whether it was grumbling something

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formal something that might be in the

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works I'm not sure but it's to speak to

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Chris Retta um and the removal of him

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from the Planning Commission um as the

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what I understand is you're leaon from

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the board to the Planning Commission is

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that correct yeah ex official okay

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okay it's a formal term um I've got to

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say in the what six five six years I've

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lived here um well Chris and his wife

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are I would

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say you got to you got to make it quick

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Brad cuz I don't believe this

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is uh part of uh first public need to be

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the uh regards to the agenda correct oh

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I'm so sorry sorry I just wanted to go

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on record and say that I feel safer I'm

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having chrisy on the Planning Commission

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having him be the on from the board and

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thank you that's all thanks thank you

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yes sir sorry about that proed yeah

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okay are there any other public comments

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uh regarding the

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agenda we got we got two hang on hang on

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sorry if that microphone's on or not I

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don't know it's not on turn it

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on could we do I turn it I switch it on

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I'll do it

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there let's do a sound

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check there you go

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hi I've been watching the videos too

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what a disgrace the three people who are

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censored are and on the agenda I highly

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recommend the training cuz there you

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know for you three that are in trouble

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what a horrible representation of the

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township you guys are fodder for the

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hotline and so is the guy who thre said

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he eliminated the cats thank you

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anybody else Janette

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Janette so I guess we can talk about

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anything not just on the agenda no okay

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try you need need to stop it

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then please um my name's Janette and I

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would like to address the ongoing issues

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on Hogan Road which is on the agenda

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tonight okay um caused by the Gravel Pit

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traffic for one thing and problems that

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residents have been bringing up four

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years um the traffic is out of control

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signage is unclear or missing and I know

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that because I just drove it again last

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night um in the snow and accidents

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including a tragic death have made this

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road dangerous on top of that residents

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are living with constant dust noise and

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a diminished quality of life I really

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would like everyone on the board to just

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imagine yourself sitting out on your

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patio on your desk

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and going back into your house on a

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beautiful uh day in the summer but you

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can't stay out there because you're

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being bombarded with dust and noise and

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I did make a video of it and it's

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horrible what goes on there um the three

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returning board members have heard these

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concerns over and over during the last

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Administration and yet nothing was done

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so it's time for the new Administration

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to take action if the solution isn't in

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your jurisdiction then why don't we

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petition the county or the state or

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whoever is is responsible for it I'd

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like to see our board advocate for the

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people you represent they shouldn't feel

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ignored or forced to move away just to

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escape these conditions and I talked to

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a young man who lived on that road last

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year was talking to him about the

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problems he ended up selling and moving

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out of the township and he said to me I

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can't trust that my Township would do

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anything to help us with this

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problem so he sold his home and he moved

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this board has an opportunity to show

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real leadership on an issue that has

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been ignored for far too long and I

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really believe it's time to act again I

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ask you all to imagine what this would

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be like investing money in a place and

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thinking that your life is going to be

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spent here and then having your comments

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and concerns continually ignored and so

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I hope that you'll you'll all work

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together to try and do something about

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the

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situation okay

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Scott Scott dri O Lake Road um I asked

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Mr fiser the attorney for the

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um gravel pits about the situation on

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Hogan

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Road because there was um we determined

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that the application process might go

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through

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Eagle so Kevin told us that eagle was

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out checking all the dust doing test and

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they said the test come back positive

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well I felt that that's a conflict of

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interest that Eagles going to give out

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the application and come down and do all

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the testing so I asked Mr fiser

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shouldn't we get our own independent

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invest investigation and Mr fiser said

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yes he recommended it Chris I think you

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remember that so on too with us he's on

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as well so he's listening yeah I know so

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I I'm sorry I didn't know that

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appreciate that um and I said I think we

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owe these residents on this

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street the process of getting a good

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solid Health and Welfare test on what's

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damage is doing to the houses The Lawns

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and their health so I think we owe it to

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them get that independent check thank

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[Music]

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you thank

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you anybody

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else all right we will move into

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unfinished

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business you have anything

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we'll move right into uh to new business

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then and the uh number one item here

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workshop for board members to learn to

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work together as a

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team I have

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any comments about

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that on the board as the resident said

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and I believe

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um I called the city of Fenton I called

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seven different places to have this

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meeting and the City of Fenton agreed to

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let us use their conference room for

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free on that

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day so that saved money right there

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anywhere from $200 to $700 for a full

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day that the City of Fenton will allow

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it for

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free um I guess I'll speak a minute just

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because I put together the slides that

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are in the packet and

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um Greg you and Jennifer and I had that

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recorded Zoom that was shared with the

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rest of the board and Mr Bender just to

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better understand the work that he

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does

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um he works all over the state with

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municipalities to try to

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help boards like ours uh

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establish ground rules that everyone can

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come to the table and agree upon and

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improve

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efficiency

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um and I know I know this board has

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gotten off to a really rough start but I

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don't think there's

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any board member here that doesn't have

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the best interest of the township at

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heart

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um and I

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just I think we're all going to be very

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disappointed if we accomplish nothing

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because we can't communicate and we

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can't figure out how to work together

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and so to me me I know Greg I've heard

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you

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say that you had a great deal of value

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in Education and Training you and I

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share that

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um I think there's been a lot of wasted

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time and spending in the last two months

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over

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conflict if we're going to invest in

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something I think it should be something

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proactive that's going to help us figure

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out how

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to sit down and figure out what goals we

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have for this community and get to work

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um

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so that's just my my personal hope um

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which is why this is the resource I

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found that was highly regarded used by

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numerous municipalities in the

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surrounding

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areas

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um so I guess I I don't know how other

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people are feeling and what you're

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aiming for but I'm opening up that

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discussion

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comment yeah I'll definitely go a few I

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have a few comments go ahead I I'll

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close if you want to go I'm gonna close

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all right um well I'm going to I'm going

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to pose this item because I have some

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really strong reasons to do so

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um I've attended many workshops like

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this in my Global role over the years

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matter of fact this same one at least

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twice that I know of in my 37e career

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and uh this is a

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an older uh type of Workshop it's uh

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there's three primary reasons and I'll

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get to the point one team building

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workshops are not necessarily the

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solution especially um with regard to uh

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what the experts say uh we have Mark mle

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who's a project management expert the

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most popular model of Team development

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doesn't actually do what it says the

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stages are not linear clear consistently

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follow

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proportional in time nor anywhere near

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as well defined as the model

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presumes Studies by the defense

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acquisition University found that only

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2% of teams actually follow tuckman

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stages in sequence most teams experience

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dynamics that are far more complex and

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nonlinear and the conflict doesn't get

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resolved in a workshop uh it does

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require open honest conversations of

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course that's I agree with that but

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these sessions can't provide uh

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resolution I think that Workshops can

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also make things worse and if they're

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designed to to uh be a consensus

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building consensus is not something that

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necessarily is leads from a healthy

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Township Board without differences of

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opinion that uh where people have it's

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very difficult to uh to understand or

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try to agree and and the goal for this

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particular training in my experience is

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about consensus building and not solving

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the problem of mistrust and things of

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that nature so this uh these sessions

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encourage group think group think is is

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very much a prevalent here uh and it

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desires for agreement outweighs critical

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thinking and better decision making and

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I do disagree with the the presumption

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that if we don't come together through

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this training or some sort of training

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that we can't function as a team we can

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absolutely function as a team we are

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here to discuss the sides of all issues

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that are out there and that's going to

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require us to have conflict conflict

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will be part of this you cannot

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eliminate it in that sense so I don't

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think it's a responsible spend today of

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the of the taxpayer dollars the

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$3,500 that are on the table um they're

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uh they're really not designed to solve

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the conflicts and we have to solve the

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conflicts in this Township

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first before addressing this kind of a

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workshop and I think we have serious

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conflict right now going on with the

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cental resolutions that has to be really

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overcome before we do anything else uh I

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I just I don't see this as being the

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solution to this problem I've

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experienced experienced this training

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before it doesn't provide the critical

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thinking and uh and it focuses more on

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group thinking and uh uh building

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consensus which is not what we're here

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to do so what Solutions do you propose

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Chris well I propose first of all not

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creating conflict

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unnecessarily that would be the first

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one uh and the uh the idea of the

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getting over the uh over the censor

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resolutions and getting a full vetting

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of our letter in the next meeting is a

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good place to start and then we'll take

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it from

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there how do you propose that uh we work

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on building trust what do you have any

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ideas or thoughts on that is there

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anything

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anything that you've seen out there that

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can help us I will absolutely make very

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solid recommend ations once we're Beyond

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this initial trust

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issue I know that the censure is not

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really what we're talking about here and

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I know that it does factor into this

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discussion right and the ability to move

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forward I'm just kind of remind you that

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that came from actions that the three of

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you took that put us in that

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position so it's not that it is personal

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it is not that

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um certainly not that's something I

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wanted to be dealing with out of the

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gate either so we have some work ahead

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of us yes we

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do as as far as my opinion of it um I

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quite honestly was waiting to see

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whether there would be willing to talk

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about the C the letter from our attorney

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um on this centure if they had have been

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willing to do that I might have been

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more willing but have they proven quite

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distinctly that they do not want to work

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with us yet or they would have listened

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we would had a discussion on on the

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letter from our attorney by turning that

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down that tells me they only want to

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work with us if we do what they want I'm

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not willing to do that sorry I I don't

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think that's true and I think in the

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spirit of

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transparency it is appropriate that we

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provide documentation in every board

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packet for every topic of discussion and

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so that would be the proper way to do

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that the goal was you Mr Reta you wanted

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it published it will be published as

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documentation supporting our agenda so

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it's not that we're not willing to work

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or have that conversation just not now

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in the spirit of transparency that's a

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public document we must share and again

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when that gets published we have the

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discussion I may feel differently that

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you guys are willing to work and then I

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may be more act to be willing to to

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discuss the the team build because

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that's my perfect point and that's what

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my point was when you I appreciate your

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point and that and there are several

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things that we do need to discuss and

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communication is part of that um you

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yourself Mr H uh you informed me that

554
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:12,880
you couldn't be emailed um or that you

555
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:15,120
could be emailed but you have no

556
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:17,440
computer to check your email and that we

557
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:19,119
cannot contact you through your phone Mr

558
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:23,080
Reta you said

559
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:25,038
likewise how can we communicate with you

560
00:27:23,079 --> 00:27:26,599
email and that and that's the issue that

561
00:27:25,038 --> 00:27:30,158
that's what Chuck said last meeting he

562
00:27:26,599 --> 00:27:30,158
said the email Township

563
00:27:30,759 --> 00:27:34,519
Communications and we satisfied that

564
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,960
right but if there's an emergency in the

565
00:27:34,519 --> 00:27:38,519
township we have to be able to get a

566
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:40,440
hold of you you know if if uh the

567
00:27:38,519 --> 00:27:43,519
supervisor needs support hey look you

568
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:46,080
guys voted down issuing cell phones and

569
00:27:43,519 --> 00:27:48,278
any other devices to get a hold of us

570
00:27:46,079 --> 00:27:51,240
and so well we've provided you with with

571
00:27:48,278 --> 00:27:52,919
the emails y but as I said uh Mr hos

572
00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:54,720
stated he doesn't have a computer he

573
00:27:52,919 --> 00:27:56,399
can't check his

574
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:59,640
email

575
00:27:56,398 --> 00:28:01,599
so in this Spirit of working together as

576
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:04,799
a team and communicating we we have to

577
00:28:01,599 --> 00:28:06,678
get past those issues and so you know

578
00:28:04,798 --> 00:28:09,000
I'm a little offended that you're saying

579
00:28:06,679 --> 00:28:11,000
we don't want to work with you I do want

580
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,798
to work with you I have no issues

581
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,558
working with you but we have to be able

582
00:28:12,798 --> 00:28:15,720
to

583
00:28:13,558 --> 00:28:18,240
communicate that's a starting point

584
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:19,519
right there is communication so far have

585
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:21,079
you had any issue getting any

586
00:28:19,519 --> 00:28:22,240
information me that was necessary for me

587
00:28:21,079 --> 00:28:25,119
to

588
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:26,839
have no I'm thank you but you're

589
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:29,199
skipping the point if there's an

590
00:28:26,839 --> 00:28:32,199
emergency it if I send you a letter in

591
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:35,558
the e in the mail or email you're not

592
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:38,038
going to see that so can we can we get

593
00:28:35,558 --> 00:28:40,839
back on topic uh well this is part of

594
00:28:38,038 --> 00:28:42,640
the topic conversation and we had I had

595
00:28:40,839 --> 00:28:44,519
a long conversation you told you exactly

596
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:46,240
what I would do to try to make that

597
00:28:44,519 --> 00:28:48,839
easier I told you I'd stop on my way

598
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:52,399
home from work two three times a week

599
00:28:48,839 --> 00:28:56,879
you're only open four days a week

600
00:28:52,398 --> 00:28:59,599
okay that wased I I would just like to

601
00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:04,559
um

602
00:28:59,599 --> 00:29:06,240
close on this uh item number one I uh

603
00:29:04,558 --> 00:29:09,200
I've been thinking about this for quite

604
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:13,278
some time and uh

605
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:16,720
obviously and uh the voters uh they

606
00:29:13,278 --> 00:29:18,519
voted for for people they thought could

607
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:22,159
all work

608
00:29:18,519 --> 00:29:26,519
together and so I I have a really hard

609
00:29:22,159 --> 00:29:28,760
hard time asking them to pay for our

610
00:29:26,519 --> 00:29:30,919
training

611
00:29:28,759 --> 00:29:33,480
so that we can work

612
00:29:30,919 --> 00:29:37,200
together and

613
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:40,360
so uh I am proposing that the only way I

614
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:44,480
can really support this is if all seven

615
00:29:40,359 --> 00:29:48,278
of us pay for it out of our pocket

616
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:50,278
$3,500 divided by 7 is an easy number

617
00:29:48,278 --> 00:29:52,960
$500 a

618
00:29:50,278 --> 00:29:56,440
piece I will support it if you all want

619
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:59,079
to pay $500 a piece out of your pocket

620
00:29:56,440 --> 00:30:01,798
to do this training I don't I don't want

621
00:29:59,079 --> 00:30:04,038
to put the put that burden on the on the

622
00:30:01,798 --> 00:30:08,119
residents I think it's unfair it's not

623
00:30:04,038 --> 00:30:11,278
500 it's 500 plus my day away from my

624
00:30:08,119 --> 00:30:13,479
job that I don't get paid for so it's a

625
00:30:11,278 --> 00:30:15,278
lot more than just 500 but I'm not

626
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:17,319
worried about the money as much as the

627
00:30:15,278 --> 00:30:19,240
principle and the effectiveness of

628
00:30:17,319 --> 00:30:20,439
training I understand that Chris just to

629
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,399
let you know I'm just telling you where

630
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:24,640
I'm coming from what about when we were

631
00:30:22,398 --> 00:30:26,959
in the zoom call that was recorded and

632
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:29,960
you stated we couldn't do this fast

633
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:32,519
enough and you I don't think you heard

634
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:35,440
me I've had I've been thinking about

635
00:30:32,519 --> 00:30:39,640
this for quite some time since the zoom

636
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:42,440
call and I just do not think it's fair

637
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:46,000
to put the burden of this on people who

638
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:48,640
voted for you thinking we could all work

639
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:51,079
together that's unfair it's unfair to

640
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:55,240
them the taxpayers have been burdened

641
00:30:51,079 --> 00:30:57,038
with excessive legal fees Greg with now

642
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:59,159
two trustees and a supervisor

643
00:30:57,038 --> 00:31:02,038
threatening to SU do the township is

644
00:30:59,159 --> 00:31:04,320
that I am not in that lawsuit don't

645
00:31:02,038 --> 00:31:06,278
there you go there you go saying stuff

646
00:31:04,319 --> 00:31:09,278
that's not true you're named in the last

647
00:31:06,278 --> 00:31:11,638
paragraph unless I misread that I am not

648
00:31:09,278 --> 00:31:13,359
part of that lawsuit I have not even

649
00:31:11,638 --> 00:31:16,158
talked to that

650
00:31:13,359 --> 00:31:18,759
attorney I don't even I've never even

651
00:31:16,159 --> 00:31:21,200
met him I am in the letter the letter

652
00:31:18,759 --> 00:31:23,879
clearly states representing

653
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:26,679
Chris misrepresenting things I don't

654
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:28,639
need you to yell at me okay I

655
00:31:26,679 --> 00:31:31,440
misunderstood because you maybe you

656
00:31:28,638 --> 00:31:34,158
aren't aware that you are named in the

657
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:36,120
last paragraph and that is on me we will

658
00:31:34,159 --> 00:31:38,039
further discuss it at the next meeting

659
00:31:36,119 --> 00:31:40,918
but my point is if we're concerned about

660
00:31:38,038 --> 00:31:45,519
taxpayer dollars we are we have to talk

661
00:31:40,919 --> 00:31:47,679
about the big picture here the big

662
00:31:45,519 --> 00:31:49,759
picture if

663
00:31:47,679 --> 00:31:51,360
taxpayers if

664
00:31:49,759 --> 00:31:53,960
taxpayers

665
00:31:51,359 --> 00:31:55,439
are thinking about how their tax dollars

666
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:58,919
are

667
00:31:55,440 --> 00:32:02,399
spent it's either going to be in this

668
00:31:58,919 --> 00:32:04,120
spiral of conflict and legal battles or

669
00:32:02,398 --> 00:32:05,439
it's going to be working toward making

670
00:32:04,119 --> 00:32:08,038
things

671
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:11,278
better and Chris if you have better

672
00:32:08,038 --> 00:32:14,038
resources than this by all means please

673
00:32:11,278 --> 00:32:14,038
bring them to the

674
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:21,240
table so what do we table this until

675
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:25,360
Jennifer's

676
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:28,798
back vote what do you want to

677
00:32:25,359 --> 00:32:32,359
do I would say we need to table it cuz

678
00:32:28,798 --> 00:32:33,960
um I mean it's her $500 I'm asking for

679
00:32:32,359 --> 00:32:39,000
too

680
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:42,919
so just on a side note of that um you

681
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:42,919
know training is paid for by the

682
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:47,600
township and so I just want to add that

683
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:50,038
in there that this is

684
00:32:47,599 --> 00:32:52,439
training so from that

685
00:32:50,038 --> 00:32:55,638
perspective it it differs from your

686
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:58,000
opinion right there okay um it that's

687
00:32:55,638 --> 00:33:00,240
well taken you know it use took took

688
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:03,839
some training with MTA that was paid for

689
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:06,079
by taxpayer dollars um you know any

690
00:33:03,839 --> 00:33:08,480
training that any board member Planning

691
00:33:06,079 --> 00:33:10,960
Commission member or you know elected

692
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:14,038
official in the office takes that is

693
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:14,038
covered by the

694
00:33:15,278 --> 00:33:19,440
township I make a motion we table this

695
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,919
we've got a gentleman waiting who ask

696
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:26,440
important Township business that we need

697
00:33:20,919 --> 00:33:29,759
to do um for another time support all in

698
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:29,759
favor I

699
00:33:29,798 --> 00:33:35,240
all

700
00:33:31,038 --> 00:33:39,919
right moving on to item

701
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:41,359
two all right thanks I um hold on um

702
00:33:39,919 --> 00:33:43,759
Ross is there something we need to do to

703
00:33:41,359 --> 00:33:45,439
get Mr Fisher online for this the hog Ro

704
00:33:43,759 --> 00:33:47,079
thing right what we're discussing he

705
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:51,440
should be there

706
00:33:47,079 --> 00:33:53,038
and can you hear us Mr fiser yes I can

707
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,880
thank you all right perfect just want to

708
00:33:53,038 --> 00:33:57,119
make

709
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:59,919
sure thanks um all right Hogan Road

710
00:33:57,119 --> 00:34:01,638
discussion yes so let me introduce the

711
00:33:59,919 --> 00:34:04,399
topic since I was the one who asked for

712
00:34:01,638 --> 00:34:07,719
it uh as the ex official uh to the

713
00:34:04,398 --> 00:34:10,559
Planning Commission um the topic of of

714
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:13,358
Hogan Road came up during the extractive

715
00:34:10,559 --> 00:34:15,918
Industrial um uh discussions and

716
00:34:13,358 --> 00:34:18,319
ordinance talk with the which Mr Fischer

717
00:34:15,918 --> 00:34:20,398
has kindly contributed his time and

718
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:24,200
value in helping the Planning Commission

719
00:34:20,398 --> 00:34:27,358
craft and so uh the planning uh

720
00:34:24,199 --> 00:34:30,759
commissioner uh I'm sorry the uh the

721
00:34:27,358 --> 00:34:33,639
chair chman uh Mr Ward indicated that a

722
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:36,960
discussion about Hogan Road truck route

723
00:34:33,639 --> 00:34:39,519
needed to be handled at the board so I

724
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:41,760
took that as the ex officio to get this

725
00:34:39,519 --> 00:34:44,440
on the agenda for discussion here at the

726
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:47,399
board uh since that was not something he

727
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:50,838
said that the Planning Commission would

728
00:34:47,398 --> 00:34:54,000
uh discuss or or take care of so that's

729
00:34:50,838 --> 00:34:57,199
why we're here um a couple of things uh

730
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:59,920
and and thank you for uh Ross and Pam

731
00:34:57,199 --> 00:35:03,399
for putting in the documentation uh that

732
00:34:59,920 --> 00:35:06,358
talks about the the legal grounds of uh

733
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:11,680
the truck route's existence going back

734
00:35:06,358 --> 00:35:14,880
to 2002 at least uh so I appreciate that

735
00:35:11,679 --> 00:35:19,960
and um with with regard to uh court

736
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:24,358
order uh at the time for um for what

737
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:27,358
appears to be a company called uh spring

738
00:35:24,358 --> 00:35:30,920
aggregate which I understand no longer

739
00:35:27,358 --> 00:35:33,880
uh owns that uh Mining facility today

740
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:39,039
it's another company called

741
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:40,838
gbh G gbh thank you very much so um in

742
00:35:39,039 --> 00:35:42,559
bringing this together a couple things

743
00:35:40,838 --> 00:35:47,039
that I thought I would just try to keep

744
00:35:42,559 --> 00:35:49,920
in my um in my introduction here

745
00:35:47,039 --> 00:35:52,279
is I'm really

746
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:53,920
interested we we're not here to break a

747
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:56,319
court order if the court says we have to

748
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:58,519
have a truck route we have a truck route

749
00:35:56,318 --> 00:36:01,358
we do have in reviewing doing ordinance

750
00:35:58,519 --> 00:36:04,800
number 38 we have lots of truck routes

751
00:36:01,358 --> 00:36:07,039
in the township so we we possibly need

752
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:08,920
to get the Planning Commission to

753
00:36:07,039 --> 00:36:12,400
readdress the truck routes because

754
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:14,358
there's at least five of them so um and

755
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:17,119
not really reflective of what we have

756
00:36:14,358 --> 00:36:21,159
and could expose us uh to additional

757
00:36:17,119 --> 00:36:23,920
problems with the uh the uh gravel pick

758
00:36:21,159 --> 00:36:27,078
going in in Hartland at Denton Hill and

759
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:30,159
uh holzworth so we we really need some

760
00:36:27,079 --> 00:36:32,720
work there but the the key would be here

761
00:36:30,159 --> 00:36:36,440
is to try to understand uh if there's

762
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:40,039
something else we can do to reassess the

763
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:42,838
situation the the court order uh may

764
00:36:40,039 --> 00:36:46,000
just be related to establishing the

765
00:36:42,838 --> 00:36:48,159
truck route so we we that's something we

766
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:51,079
have to validate even if it can't be

767
00:36:48,159 --> 00:36:53,679
challenged it's a truck route period um

768
00:36:51,079 --> 00:36:56,920
we do things there's other things like

769
00:36:53,679 --> 00:36:59,239
speed limit enforcement and is it

770
00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:00,599
optional to pave and I'm not suggesting

771
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:03,118
that any of these are things that I

772
00:37:00,599 --> 00:37:08,000
would support but uh maybe we need to

773
00:37:03,119 --> 00:37:10,039
look at engaging uh an expert in

774
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:13,199
extractive industrial and probably truck

775
00:37:10,039 --> 00:37:17,358
routes Mr fisers who's here's with us so

776
00:37:13,199 --> 00:37:20,279
even in this discussion is to have

777
00:37:17,358 --> 00:37:22,480
potentially have Mr fiser he's done an

778
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:24,440
excellent job for us on the ordinance

779
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:26,599
look at this whole landscape of

780
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:29,599
information including the or I mean you

781
00:37:26,599 --> 00:37:32,800
are an attorney Mr Fischer so um that

782
00:37:29,599 --> 00:37:35,200
might be some assistance it's not uh so

783
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:37,960
that's part of the discussion and see if

784
00:37:35,199 --> 00:37:40,199
we can at least understand what the

785
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:43,480
finalities of the things we can and

786
00:37:40,199 --> 00:37:46,279
cannot do uh I know that my wife and I

787
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:48,159
drove uh Hogan Road last night we have

788
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:51,079
truck route signs that are marked with

789
00:37:48,159 --> 00:37:53,799
30 mph speed limits on every truck

790
00:37:51,079 --> 00:37:57,519
except for one we we know that the the

791
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:59,880
one nearest to uh uh old 23 is not is

792
00:37:57,519 --> 00:38:02,358
doesn't have it but but there's a 25 mph

793
00:37:59,880 --> 00:38:04,200
sign so we know there's a truck speed

794
00:38:02,358 --> 00:38:05,480
limit but there's questions about that

795
00:38:04,199 --> 00:38:07,439
because what do they do if they don't

796
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:09,599
follow it and things of that nature all

797
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:12,599
of these particular things There's an

798
00:38:09,599 --> 00:38:14,680
opportunity for us to go beyond just the

799
00:38:12,599 --> 00:38:16,760
fact that there's a court ordered making

800
00:38:14,679 --> 00:38:18,199
it a truck route to see what we can do

801
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:20,480
to help the residents out and that's

802
00:38:18,199 --> 00:38:21,960
what I'd like to just introduce as far

803
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:24,400
as this

804
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:27,679
topic your

805
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:30,559
thoughts on the board

806
00:38:27,679 --> 00:38:33,639
is there a reason this guy's on the line

807
00:38:30,559 --> 00:38:35,759
why is he on the line is he the expert

808
00:38:33,639 --> 00:38:37,559
he is ant hear from him yeah matter of

809
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:40,800
fact he is okay I'd like to hear from of

810
00:38:37,559 --> 00:38:45,599
fact he is okay I'd like to hear from

811
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:50,560
him okay Mr Fisher yes thank you thank

812
00:38:45,599 --> 00:38:56,119
you uh I have uh uh Ross sent me the

813
00:38:50,559 --> 00:38:57,799
2002 court order uh and um I did hear I

814
00:38:56,119 --> 00:38:59,640
had had the benefit of hearing some of

815
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:01,680
the comments made at the last meeting at

816
00:38:59,639 --> 00:39:04,400
the Planning Commission meeting and so

817
00:39:01,679 --> 00:39:07,639
it gave me a little bit of of insight on

818
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:11,760
things I also had the opportunity to go

819
00:39:07,639 --> 00:39:13,400
online and uh at Google Maps and look at

820
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:16,800
uh at the

821
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:19,079
situation and uh it looks like part of

822
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:23,599
the road is paved and part of it is not

823
00:39:19,079 --> 00:39:26,119
paved and um and and my understanding

824
00:39:23,599 --> 00:39:30,480
that this manufactured housing project

825
00:39:26,119 --> 00:39:34,318
has uh has uh uh ballooned up to some

826
00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:37,880
degree putting more traffic uh on on the

827
00:39:34,318 --> 00:39:39,880
road and uh and so and you have this

828
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:43,880
this order there somewhat complicates

829
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:49,160
things but but maybe provides a good uh

830
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:52,160
a runway for uh landing on on this uh

831
00:39:49,159 --> 00:39:56,199
topic uh if you look at the

832
00:39:52,159 --> 00:39:58,598
law uh the law uh state law and it's

833
00:39:56,199 --> 00:40:00,639
part of the traffic code

834
00:39:58,599 --> 00:40:04,519
uh

835
00:40:00,639 --> 00:40:08,039
basically uh gives both the township and

836
00:40:04,519 --> 00:40:10,759
the County Road Commission the authority

837
00:40:08,039 --> 00:40:14,199
to uh

838
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:16,200
establish uh reasonable regulations for

839
00:40:14,199 --> 00:40:19,679
truck

840
00:40:16,199 --> 00:40:22,199
rids and uh looking at the court order

841
00:40:19,679 --> 00:40:26,759
the court order gives respect

842
00:40:22,199 --> 00:40:29,759
to uh the ordinances of both townships

843
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:33,200
that you have as that pass through uh

844
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:37,240
Tyrone Township from Deerfield Township

845
00:40:33,199 --> 00:40:37,239
your your neighbor and

846
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:45,119
um uh and I know that uh reading the

847
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:48,800
order there is reference to an

848
00:40:45,119 --> 00:40:51,400
earlier uh permit called an interim

849
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:53,079
permit that the road commission issued I

850
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:56,079
don't know whether that's been updated

851
00:40:53,079 --> 00:41:00,800
and my my assumption is that it has been

852
00:40:56,079 --> 00:41:02,760
updated and that's something to to uh to

853
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:05,960
determine as part of an

854
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:09,319
investigation but the really interesting

855
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:11,358
thing about this the state law is that

856
00:41:09,318 --> 00:41:13,400
it doesn't designate that the road

857
00:41:11,358 --> 00:41:16,719
commission has full Authority or that

858
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:18,639
the township has full Authority it

859
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:22,519
basically calls

860
00:41:18,639 --> 00:41:24,159
for uh a uh Cooperative effort between

861
00:41:22,519 --> 00:41:29,759
the two two

862
00:41:24,159 --> 00:41:34,358
entities and so uh I mean my thought is

863
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:37,480
is um what is needed here is uh as

864
00:41:34,358 --> 00:41:40,838
indicated in in the

865
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:45,599
uh the preliminary discussion is that

866
00:41:40,838 --> 00:41:47,759
some investigation needs to be done uh

867
00:41:45,599 --> 00:41:51,838
to essentially

868
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:53,720
establish what the situation is here in

869
00:41:51,838 --> 00:41:55,960
the township based upon the current

870
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:58,799
conditions now you couldn't do that very

871
00:41:55,960 --> 00:42:01,079
well right now probably because uh the

872
00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:05,599
trucks aren't running so you may have to

873
00:42:01,079 --> 00:42:07,880
wait until until uh the uh gravel mining

874
00:42:05,599 --> 00:42:10,240
season opens up well they're they're

875
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:12,559
running right now rning they're

876
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:15,559
running well they might be running but

877
00:42:12,559 --> 00:42:19,159
they may not be running uh at

878
00:42:15,559 --> 00:42:22,039
full uh capacity yeah true okay yeah I

879
00:42:19,159 --> 00:42:25,719
me I going be wrong about that but but

880
00:42:22,039 --> 00:42:28,239
uh they I think the construction

881
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:32,118
season um

882
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:35,679
uh calls for more traffic Road building

883
00:42:32,119 --> 00:42:37,400
calls for more traffic uh gravel sanding

884
00:42:35,679 --> 00:42:40,000
gravel traffic and all that kind of

885
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:44,800
thing and

886
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:46,480
um uh so but but that would provide some

887
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,680
opportunity to find the right person to

888
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:51,440
do the

889
00:42:47,679 --> 00:42:54,159
investigation uh and get some facts and

890
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:57,480
and it sounds like there are some very

891
00:42:54,159 --> 00:43:00,920
very uh relevant facts here that that uh

892
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:01,639
are somewhat compelling that some relief

893
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:04,960
is

894
00:43:01,639 --> 00:43:07,558
needed uh now you have the order and it

895
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:10,599
it isn't a matter of needing to follow

896
00:43:07,559 --> 00:43:14,040
the order as it is because I mean that

897
00:43:10,599 --> 00:43:17,559
order is 20 plus years old uh entered at

898
00:43:14,039 --> 00:43:19,519
a different time so to speak and um uh

899
00:43:17,559 --> 00:43:22,079
in the in the court rules as your

900
00:43:19,519 --> 00:43:25,199
attorney has has mentioned to you the

901
00:43:22,079 --> 00:43:27,640
court rules contemplate the possibility

902
00:43:25,199 --> 00:43:31,480
of modifying

903
00:43:27,639 --> 00:43:34,920
uh this type of of court order uh I

904
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:38,079
think the the likelihood of success in

905
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:42,400
the a modification like that uh would

906
00:43:38,079 --> 00:43:45,800
require first uh having the township go

907
00:43:42,400 --> 00:43:48,720
to the road commission uh after doing an

908
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:52,680
investigation uh presenting them with

909
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:55,118
the state of facts and and all of that

910
00:43:52,679 --> 00:43:58,279
and um indicating that you'd like to

911
00:43:55,119 --> 00:44:01,800
work with the road commission to modify

912
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:03,200
the ORD and that modification could take

913
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:06,039
any number of

914
00:44:03,199 --> 00:44:09,919
forms um and when you could limited the

915
00:44:06,039 --> 00:44:12,159
amount of traffic um the amount of of uh

916
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:15,240
trucks over a certain weight I mean

917
00:44:12,159 --> 00:44:18,199
gravel trucks are very very heavy

918
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:20,719
extraordinary uh extraordinarily heavy

919
00:44:18,199 --> 00:44:24,118
and you could try to limit the number of

920
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:26,199
of trucks on that road or as mentioned

921
00:44:24,119 --> 00:44:27,838
probably the best solution and I don't

922
00:44:26,199 --> 00:44:30,679
know how long

923
00:44:27,838 --> 00:44:33,440
this gravel operation is going to

924
00:44:30,679 --> 00:44:35,318
continue uh looking at at with the

925
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:39,079
aerial photograph

926
00:44:35,318 --> 00:44:42,039
online um I mean it looks like it's had

927
00:44:39,079 --> 00:44:46,599
quite a bit of mining done already and

928
00:44:42,039 --> 00:44:49,599
uh uh so I I don't know what their what

929
00:44:46,599 --> 00:44:53,440
their inventory of resources left on

930
00:44:49,599 --> 00:44:55,720
that property is uh and of course that

931
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:57,800
would be one of the relevant things to

932
00:44:55,719 --> 00:45:01,279
determine in an investigation

933
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:03,519
to find out how much effort you should

934
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:07,240
make depending upon how much longer

935
00:45:03,519 --> 00:45:09,079
they're going to be in business uh but

936
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:12,159
uh if they're going to be in business

937
00:45:09,079 --> 00:45:14,599
for a longer time then Paving that road

938
00:45:12,159 --> 00:45:17,039
is not out of out of the question and

939
00:45:14,599 --> 00:45:18,400
I'm not suggesting that the township

940
00:45:17,039 --> 00:45:22,000
should pay for

941
00:45:18,400 --> 00:45:25,318
it uh the court order basically

942
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:28,800
contemplates the operator of that Gravel

943
00:45:25,318 --> 00:45:33,279
Pit uh pay money to maintain the road

944
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:35,119
now maintain is it seems from from this

945
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,960
testimony and so forth that we've heard

946
00:45:35,119 --> 00:45:40,800
so

947
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:42,358
far uh and I'm just to some degree uh

948
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:45,800
speculating of course because I don't

949
00:45:42,358 --> 00:45:49,719
know all the fact but it seems to me

950
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:53,720
that that uh the road as it's currently

951
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:57,558
maintained obviously is not maintained

952
00:45:53,719 --> 00:46:00,480
adequately and uh and it may it may not

953
00:45:57,559 --> 00:46:01,880
be feasible to maintain it adequately

954
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:03,880
with all the traffic on it and

955
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:07,000
particularly all the trucks that are

956
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:11,599
passing over it it may require payment

957
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:12,599
and and and I would suggest that that uh

958
00:46:11,599 --> 00:46:14,838
the road

959
00:46:12,599 --> 00:46:19,039
commission uh would have the authority

960
00:46:14,838 --> 00:46:22,199
to lean on that on that gravel operator

961
00:46:19,039 --> 00:46:25,358
to do the payment to to finance the pay

962
00:46:22,199 --> 00:46:28,078
now it's possible that that the township

963
00:46:25,358 --> 00:46:29,920
could assist in that process process

964
00:46:28,079 --> 00:46:33,519
by

965
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:35,358
uh again if if the if the process the

966
00:46:33,519 --> 00:46:39,280
operation is going to continue for a

967
00:46:35,358 --> 00:46:41,799
long time uh the to Bay assist by

968
00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:43,280
issuing a uh a special assessment

969
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:46,480
reading a special

970
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:48,559
assessment uh and then bonding pay

971
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:50,679
Paving the road and then the grapple

972
00:46:48,559 --> 00:46:54,400
operator could pay a certain amount each

973
00:46:50,679 --> 00:47:00,239
year uh in installments to pay off the

974
00:46:54,400 --> 00:47:03,760
bond uh and that you May well be uh the

975
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:06,879
best solution uh to this situation now

976
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:11,240
if the road commission won't cooperate I

977
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:13,559
mean that then would kind of put you you

978
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:17,639
know have you'd have to shift gears and

979
00:47:13,559 --> 00:47:20,040
go back to court and uh you'd be able to

980
00:47:17,639 --> 00:47:22,358
tell the court that you were Tred to

981
00:47:20,039 --> 00:47:24,920
achieve the road commissions cooperation

982
00:47:22,358 --> 00:47:28,639
and haven't been able to get it uh and

983
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:31,200
here is are the the conditions that

984
00:47:28,639 --> 00:47:33,440
essentially sound to me like nuisance

985
00:47:31,199 --> 00:47:35,318
public nuisance conditions which are

986
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:40,200
like you know the worst thing known to

987
00:47:35,318 --> 00:47:43,920
bind and um uh and

988
00:47:40,199 --> 00:47:47,519
so you you be able to ask the court to

989
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:52,358
amend the order to require the road

990
00:47:47,519 --> 00:47:56,159
commission to uh have them pay the road

991
00:47:52,358 --> 00:47:57,838
of of uh and offer the the Township's

992
00:47:56,159 --> 00:48:00,838
cooperation

993
00:47:57,838 --> 00:48:02,000
uh in the financing process with with a

994
00:48:00,838 --> 00:48:05,239
special

995
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:07,760
assessment uh so you know without

996
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:11,159
without the paving

997
00:48:07,760 --> 00:48:14,800
um it seems to me that that you're

998
00:48:11,159 --> 00:48:17,118
you're you're allowing this operation to

999
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:19,160
take people's property away from them

1000
00:48:17,119 --> 00:48:23,039
and uh although again I don't know all

1001
00:48:19,159 --> 00:48:25,078
the details but it sounds like that and

1002
00:48:23,039 --> 00:48:28,279
when you know when when

1003
00:48:25,079 --> 00:48:30,440
inadequate uh r ation and control occurs

1004
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:33,920
and people are allowed to do that that

1005
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:36,240
uh that gives rise to the opportunity

1006
00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:39,680
for a court to step in and and uh take

1007
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:41,078
charge of it but you know as I said it's

1008
00:48:39,679 --> 00:48:43,318
been 20 plus

1009
00:48:41,079 --> 00:48:47,359
years uh and

1010
00:48:43,318 --> 00:48:50,000
um uh conditions have apparently changed

1011
00:48:47,358 --> 00:48:52,119
and the condition current situation is

1012
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:54,798
conditions are unbearable

1013
00:48:52,119 --> 00:48:57,358
so you know people can't go outside at

1014
00:48:54,798 --> 00:49:01,119
their homes and things like that

1015
00:48:57,358 --> 00:49:05,318
and there have been uh fatal accidents

1016
00:49:01,119 --> 00:49:09,000
it's worth uh pursuing and so you know

1017
00:49:05,318 --> 00:49:13,679
my my suggestion is to number one find

1018
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:16,519
find an appropriate expert that uh that

1019
00:49:13,679 --> 00:49:22,279
shouldn't you know cause cause the

1020
00:49:16,519 --> 00:49:25,880
township to uh go broke uh and then uh

1021
00:49:22,280 --> 00:49:28,200
formulates uh a position and and your

1022
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:32,160
position made be in the form of an

1023
00:49:28,199 --> 00:49:36,078
amended ordinance 38 for Hogan

1024
00:49:32,159 --> 00:49:39,039
row and and there are other townships in

1025
00:49:36,079 --> 00:49:40,720
the state that have passed ordinances

1026
00:49:39,039 --> 00:49:42,920
for pass through

1027
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:45,480
roads and so that's really what this

1028
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:47,000
would amount to is that that the road

1029
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:48,519
commission and and that's one of the

1030
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:50,960
reasons why you have a Road Commission

1031
00:49:48,519 --> 00:49:53,480
because it you know it cuts across all

1032
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:57,599
of the uh the political boundaries of

1033
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:59,159
townships and uh and and they should be

1034
00:49:57,599 --> 00:50:01,838
they should be the

1035
00:49:59,159 --> 00:50:05,719
Peacekeeper uh and and Problem Solver in

1036
00:50:01,838 --> 00:50:07,318
a situation like this so uh so number

1037
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:11,480
one is you know

1038
00:50:07,318 --> 00:50:15,480
great get it get a good expert to do uh

1039
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:17,318
research and whatnot to uh uh put

1040
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:22,240
together a package maybe an a vended

1041
00:50:17,318 --> 00:50:24,000
ordinance uh 38 U or something else and

1042
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:25,959
take back to the road commission see if

1043
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:27,199
you can get a deal with the road

1044
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:29,880
commission

1045
00:50:27,199 --> 00:50:31,558
uh undoubtedly you want the gravel

1046
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:34,200
operator to sit at the table at some

1047
00:50:31,559 --> 00:50:38,079
point in time and then

1048
00:50:34,199 --> 00:50:40,879
um uh if that doesn't work uh then then

1049
00:50:38,079 --> 00:50:44,440
go back to court to modify that

1050
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:47,119
order that's so that's basically my my

1051
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:51,480
recommendation uh on this

1052
00:50:47,119 --> 00:50:53,160
situation thank you Mr fiser maybe I'm

1053
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:55,000
naive for asking this what kind of

1054
00:50:53,159 --> 00:50:58,039
expert are we looking for and what kind

1055
00:50:55,000 --> 00:51:01,000
of studies should we be asking for for

1056
00:50:58,039 --> 00:51:04,239
well I I would say like an expert

1057
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:07,000
planner that um you know that that deals

1058
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:08,838
with Community planning and and

1059
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:13,318
Community conditions I to be the same

1060
00:51:08,838 --> 00:51:15,960
kind of uh uh expert and you you have an

1061
00:51:13,318 --> 00:51:18,199
expert already as far as I can tell uh

1062
00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:19,559
you know planning expert that I've seen

1063
00:51:18,199 --> 00:51:24,960
at some of your other

1064
00:51:19,559 --> 00:51:27,079
meetings um and um uh you know they

1065
00:51:24,960 --> 00:51:29,838
would be the they would

1066
00:51:27,079 --> 00:51:33,400
the type of expert that would

1067
00:51:29,838 --> 00:51:36,239
um uh give you recommendations if you

1068
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:39,000
had a new a proposed grapple money you

1069
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:44,838
know what what what would the conditions

1070
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:48,119
be uh for authorizing this uh a gravel

1071
00:51:44,838 --> 00:51:49,880
mining operation using the hall rout

1072
00:51:48,119 --> 00:51:52,160
what what kind of conditions would be

1073
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:55,200
placed on the use of the H and and

1074
00:51:52,159 --> 00:51:58,519
that's a you know a traditional

1075
00:51:55,199 --> 00:51:58,519
Community planning function

1076
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:04,440
we also need like environmental impact

1077
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:08,280
studies and dat data of that

1078
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:09,960
nature um I think I would uh try to just

1079
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:12,119
work with the planner first and I mean

1080
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:14,119
the planner may say we need it but you

1081
00:52:12,119 --> 00:52:15,280
know I don't know all the conditions to

1082
00:52:14,119 --> 00:52:18,720
know for

1083
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:22,160
sure that uh an environmental impact

1084
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:24,000
study is needed but it's possible it's

1085
00:52:22,159 --> 00:52:26,879
I'm certainly not saying that you don't

1086
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:30,000
need it but uh I think of you know

1087
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:32,480
working with the planner first would be

1088
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:32,480
uh

1089
00:52:32,838 --> 00:52:38,358
important I think it's been said in the

1090
00:52:35,119 --> 00:52:41,838
past too that we can't

1091
00:52:38,358 --> 00:52:43,639
regulate here because the gravel mine is

1092
00:52:41,838 --> 00:52:46,838
located in another community and what

1093
00:52:43,639 --> 00:52:48,838
I'm hearing you say is our Township does

1094
00:52:46,838 --> 00:52:51,719
have the right to some degree to

1095
00:52:48,838 --> 00:52:53,318
regulate a pass through route in

1096
00:52:51,719 --> 00:52:55,959
collaboration with the road commission

1097
00:52:53,318 --> 00:52:59,079
is that correct that's that's correct

1098
00:52:55,960 --> 00:53:02,119
and I mean when you think about it um

1099
00:52:59,079 --> 00:53:03,920
you know the T the the two things that I

1100
00:53:02,119 --> 00:53:07,760
have to say about that number one would

1101
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:09,880
be um when an application is made for

1102
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:11,720
gravel mining it's made to the to the

1103
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:15,880
community where the Gravel Pit is

1104
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:18,239
located but it's obvious that that uh

1105
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:20,559
part of the consideration by Statute and

1106
00:53:18,239 --> 00:53:21,919
just about all ordinances is that you

1107
00:53:20,559 --> 00:53:24,720
have to look at the hall Road well the

1108
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:28,000
hallroad doesn't end at township lines

1109
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:33,078
and so uh you know that is something

1110
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:34,760
that is uh must must be uh addressed and

1111
00:53:33,079 --> 00:53:37,000
the entity to address it would be the

1112
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:40,160
township that is being

1113
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:43,280
impacted uh the other part of that is

1114
00:53:40,159 --> 00:53:46,159
that um uh number two is that in the

1115
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:48,798
2002 consent judgment both townships are

1116
00:53:46,159 --> 00:53:51,519
parties and so that's you know that's

1117
00:53:48,798 --> 00:53:54,519
already um uh something that's been

1118
00:53:51,519 --> 00:53:54,519
recognized

1119
00:54:01,318 --> 00:54:04,199
does anyone else have

1120
00:54:04,519 --> 00:54:12,199
questions nope not for him I do for

1121
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:13,159
right uh Mr fiser this is Chris again um

1122
00:54:12,199 --> 00:54:15,759
is

1123
00:54:13,159 --> 00:54:18,239
there something else I have on my notes

1124
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:20,960
was about to ask you about the

1125
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:25,239
engineering of the road the capability

1126
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:28,480
to handle the kind of traffic uh that's

1127
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:31,838
there today and we have a bridge

1128
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:35,318
involved uh that goes over a creek we

1129
00:54:31,838 --> 00:54:38,838
have uh you know the foundations of the

1130
00:54:35,318 --> 00:54:40,639
road as to uh playing a role uh over the

1131
00:54:38,838 --> 00:54:43,078
years to whether that can handle is this

1132
00:54:40,639 --> 00:54:45,078
something we would have to also engage

1133
00:54:43,079 --> 00:54:50,400
an engineering firm that would help us

1134
00:54:45,079 --> 00:54:52,240
to understand uh well in my my in my

1135
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:56,400
opinion

1136
00:54:52,239 --> 00:55:01,039
um and I again I R all of facts but my

1137
00:54:56,400 --> 00:55:03,358
op is that that uh if you were able to

1138
00:55:01,039 --> 00:55:06,558
make this adequate case that this road

1139
00:55:03,358 --> 00:55:09,078
is inadequate now and needs to be

1140
00:55:06,559 --> 00:55:11,000
modified and hopefully

1141
00:55:09,079 --> 00:55:14,519
paved

1142
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:16,798
um then the engineer that would create

1143
00:55:14,519 --> 00:55:20,960
the specifications for the paving or

1144
00:55:16,798 --> 00:55:26,000
Improvement would would do that study

1145
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:29,079
okay so Mr fiser in in in an effort to

1146
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:35,358
get the ball rolling on this

1147
00:55:29,079 --> 00:55:38,280
um uh I guess I'm uh I'm looking for uh

1148
00:55:35,358 --> 00:55:43,119
a motion to get

1149
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:46,640
the uh ball rolling with the planning

1150
00:55:43,119 --> 00:55:48,838
um with our with our Planning Engineer

1151
00:55:46,639 --> 00:55:53,078
or what what what's your recommendation

1152
00:55:48,838 --> 00:55:57,400
here yeah your Township planner um and I

1153
00:55:53,079 --> 00:56:03,119
can't remember what the what the firm is

1154
00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:06,200
and McKenna uh and uh and I just by

1155
00:56:03,119 --> 00:56:08,318
coincidence I was working with a planter

1156
00:56:06,199 --> 00:56:11,159
from McKenna today and I know that and I

1157
00:56:08,318 --> 00:56:14,639
worked with the McKenna firm for many

1158
00:56:11,159 --> 00:56:19,199
years um is they they have a lot of

1159
00:56:14,639 --> 00:56:21,038
experts in various areas and uh you know

1160
00:56:19,199 --> 00:56:23,399
the the planner that might attend your

1161
00:56:21,039 --> 00:56:25,400
meetings could have all the expertise in

1162
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:29,240
the world that you need on the other

1163
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:33,000
hand there may be other planners uh in

1164
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:35,159
that firm uh that that uh that could be

1165
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:37,519
identified that would be you know the

1166
00:56:35,159 --> 00:56:41,318
best person to work on something like

1167
00:56:37,519 --> 00:56:43,280
this that it involves um impact on roads

1168
00:56:41,318 --> 00:56:46,920
all right so I mean that and and I would

1169
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:49,039
talk to talk to to the you know the

1170
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:51,000
person that is your representative and

1171
00:56:49,039 --> 00:56:52,960
this is a Planning Commission function

1172
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:54,519
that we would engage them and have this

1173
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:58,519
done through the Planning Commission do

1174
00:56:54,519 --> 00:57:00,880
you think or is this at LEL still okay

1175
00:56:58,519 --> 00:57:04,358
yeah i' say you know I mean the Planning

1176
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:07,240
Commission is really in my in my

1177
00:57:04,358 --> 00:57:11,679
experience you know uh designed to deal

1178
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:13,558
with with uh creating ordinances and uh

1179
00:57:11,679 --> 00:57:16,239
reviewing plans and you know Master

1180
00:57:13,559 --> 00:57:17,400
plans creating master plan and reviewing

1181
00:57:16,239 --> 00:57:19,959
development

1182
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:21,920
proposals uh to make sure that they

1183
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:25,039
comply with the master planine and

1184
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:26,798
ordinances and and really this goes this

1185
00:57:25,039 --> 00:57:30,839
is really a

1186
00:57:26,798 --> 00:57:34,759
uh an after the fact problem solving

1187
00:57:30,838 --> 00:57:39,000
Adventure here that is uh more suited to

1188
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:41,359
the Township Board okay thank you all

1189
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:44,480
right I'll make a motion to engage

1190
00:57:41,358 --> 00:57:47,199
McKenna to help us yeah and I will re I

1191
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:51,599
will reach out to

1192
00:57:47,199 --> 00:57:54,679
them McKenna to get the ball rolling if

1193
00:57:51,599 --> 00:57:56,960
you guys if you guys want me to I'll

1194
00:57:54,679 --> 00:57:59,399
second that motion yeah can in that

1195
00:57:56,960 --> 00:58:01,159
correspondence can we ask him to include

1196
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:03,720
some kind of cost estimate too just so

1197
00:58:01,159 --> 00:58:05,118
we know when we discuss it again what

1198
00:58:03,719 --> 00:58:08,358
the scope of what we're asking them to

1199
00:58:05,119 --> 00:58:08,358
do and what it's going to cost

1200
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:14,358
and yeah I mean I I don't know well we

1201
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:15,599
have to go through requirements and

1202
00:58:14,358 --> 00:58:17,598
everything but that's absolutely

1203
00:58:15,599 --> 00:58:19,880
appropriate see if they absolutely we're

1204
00:58:17,599 --> 00:58:22,720
going to have to but let's give us that

1205
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:25,119
uh you know I think this motion is just

1206
00:58:22,719 --> 00:58:28,598
to engage just to get stuff started

1207
00:58:25,119 --> 00:58:31,119
engage spend any money yet that's at Le

1208
00:58:28,599 --> 00:58:33,519
that's what I understood yeah but

1209
00:58:31,119 --> 00:58:36,599
because they may not want to do such a

1210
00:58:33,519 --> 00:58:39,199
thing so you know at least exactly begin

1211
00:58:36,599 --> 00:58:41,359
the conversation see what so I have a

1212
00:58:39,199 --> 00:58:44,719
motion be happy I'd be happy to

1213
00:58:41,358 --> 00:58:47,679
participate in a in a conference call or

1214
00:58:44,719 --> 00:58:50,159
Zoom call or something when you talk to

1215
00:58:47,679 --> 00:58:52,719
McKenna so that I can help put this in

1216
00:58:50,159 --> 00:58:55,159
the Conta that' be great thank you thank

1217
00:58:52,719 --> 00:58:57,279
you all right so I have a motion and I

1218
00:58:55,159 --> 00:58:59,639
have a second I want to ask Chuck a

1219
00:58:57,280 --> 00:59:01,760
question before Chuck we had this

1220
00:58:59,639 --> 00:59:03,480
brought up before on the last board I

1221
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:06,319
mean there was things that we tried to

1222
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:07,400
do we listen to the residents might talk

1223
00:59:06,318 --> 00:59:09,440
to the road

1224
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:11,920
commission what can we do how come we

1225
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:13,119
didn't do it then what happens now that

1226
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:15,280
we can do

1227
00:59:13,119 --> 00:59:16,920
something there's no guarantee that

1228
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:19,319
anything's going to change even when you

1229
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:21,119
do the study if you do the study speak

1230
00:59:19,318 --> 00:59:23,558
to the microphone

1231
00:59:21,119 --> 00:59:25,358
please there's no guarantee that

1232
00:59:23,559 --> 00:59:27,280
anything's going to change even if you

1233
00:59:25,358 --> 00:59:31,159
do this study and it comes back with

1234
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:33,480
some some really inflammatory

1235
00:59:31,159 --> 00:59:35,480
information however if you don't have a

1236
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:36,920
study you have no chance because you

1237
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:39,480
can't just go into the court and say

1238
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:42,240
we've changed our mind that court order

1239
00:59:39,480 --> 00:59:44,440
that was entered in 2002 was a consent

1240
00:59:42,239 --> 00:59:46,639
order which Deerfield Township the road

1241
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:49,240
commission Tyrone Township and the

1242
00:59:46,639 --> 00:59:51,598
gravel operator at the time so if we

1243
00:59:49,239 --> 00:59:55,118
don't go into court with something we

1244
00:59:51,599 --> 00:59:57,119
have nothing your best case scenario

1245
00:59:55,119 --> 00:59:59,119
would be to have a a study and then to

1246
00:59:57,119 --> 01:00:02,039
get all of the parties that are to that

1247
00:59:59,119 --> 01:00:04,798
consent order agree to whatever changes

1248
01:00:02,039 --> 01:00:07,079
we want you got to understand that if

1249
01:00:04,798 --> 01:00:09,599
what we want to happen negatively

1250
01:00:07,079 --> 01:00:12,519
impacts Deerfield Township they aren't

1251
01:00:09,599 --> 01:00:15,039
going to agree to it you got to believe

1252
01:00:12,519 --> 01:00:17,038
that if what we want is going to put a

1253
01:00:15,039 --> 01:00:18,960
strain on the road commission's budget

1254
01:00:17,039 --> 01:00:22,640
they're going to fight it but if you

1255
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:25,559
don't do the study you have no chance to

1256
01:00:22,639 --> 01:00:27,558
get things done by going to the court

1257
01:00:25,559 --> 01:00:29,519
you do the study if you have powerful

1258
01:00:27,559 --> 01:00:32,160
things if there's things that you can

1259
01:00:29,519 --> 01:00:34,079
get uh Deerfield Township to agree to

1260
01:00:32,159 --> 01:00:37,440
the county to agree to perhaps you can

1261
01:00:34,079 --> 01:00:41,200
do it by consent but to have the order

1262
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:43,480
just simply changed because it's not

1263
01:00:41,199 --> 01:00:43,480
going to

1264
01:00:44,039 --> 01:00:50,319
happen Okay so what was the motion

1265
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:53,760
motion was to engage McKenna to start

1266
01:00:50,318 --> 01:00:53,759
the discussion about this

1267
01:00:53,798 --> 01:01:00,038
topic about the uh truck route

1268
01:00:57,318 --> 01:01:01,798
specifically Hogan Hogan Road Hogan Road

1269
01:01:00,039 --> 01:01:04,760
truck route yes

1270
01:01:01,798 --> 01:01:06,960
correct and we have a second correct yes

1271
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:06,960
I

1272
01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:16,079
second so we don't need to do a roll

1273
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:22,160
call here we're not spending any money

1274
01:01:16,079 --> 01:01:26,400
so I'm just going to all in favor I I

1275
01:01:22,159 --> 01:01:26,399
oppose all right

1276
01:01:28,599 --> 01:01:35,200
uh can we uh let Mr fiser go if he needs

1277
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:38,358
to you think yes Mr Fisher thank you so

1278
01:01:35,199 --> 01:01:40,078
much thank you very much okay we'll be

1279
01:01:38,358 --> 01:01:41,880
pleasure we'll be reaching back out to

1280
01:01:40,079 --> 01:01:45,039
you once we get something going with

1281
01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:48,039
McKenna okay I know knows just how to

1282
01:01:45,039 --> 01:01:51,240
get a hold of me and uh um it's been a

1283
01:01:48,039 --> 01:01:54,278
pleasure working with you tonight sir

1284
01:01:51,239 --> 01:01:56,479
thank you have a good

1285
01:01:54,278 --> 01:01:58,239
evening all right

1286
01:01:56,480 --> 01:02:02,000
uh moving on

1287
01:01:58,239 --> 01:02:03,118
to business item number three which is

1288
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:07,838
the

1289
01:02:03,119 --> 01:02:10,278
uh resolution to uh establish the

1290
01:02:07,838 --> 01:02:13,519
guidelines for poverty exemption on the

1291
01:02:10,278 --> 01:02:13,519
property tax

1292
01:02:15,159 --> 01:02:22,639
um basically I I looked at that this

1293
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:26,358
with uh Alexa and uh what we have done

1294
01:02:22,639 --> 01:02:29,838
in the past is we have uh typically just

1295
01:02:26,358 --> 01:02:32,679
followed the federal guidelines and uh

1296
01:02:29,838 --> 01:02:36,639
and increased the

1297
01:02:32,679 --> 01:02:41,078
uh the pro uh poverty dollar

1298
01:02:36,639 --> 01:02:43,199
amount um by what they do so uh I mean

1299
01:02:41,079 --> 01:02:46,920
other than that I I don't believe

1300
01:02:43,199 --> 01:02:46,919
there's any other changes to this

1301
01:02:47,278 --> 01:02:52,400
document are any

1302
01:02:49,358 --> 01:02:55,400
questions no no this is something that's

1303
01:02:52,400 --> 01:02:59,880
done on an annual basis yeah I have some

1304
01:02:55,400 --> 01:03:02,160
questions sorry no it's fine if I may do

1305
01:02:59,880 --> 01:03:06,680
we know how many exception poverty

1306
01:03:02,159 --> 01:03:09,558
exemptions we have today one we have one

1307
01:03:06,679 --> 01:03:12,199
so there's only hang on hang on

1308
01:03:09,559 --> 01:03:14,160
Alexa y since I've been here there's

1309
01:03:12,199 --> 01:03:17,278
been one applicant who applies every

1310
01:03:14,159 --> 01:03:19,239
year who qualified you you should

1311
01:03:17,278 --> 01:03:21,119
probably come up and talk in the mic so

1312
01:03:19,239 --> 01:03:23,759
that I I

1313
01:03:21,119 --> 01:03:27,760
know I know I'm

1314
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:27,760
sorry that'll teach you to speak

1315
01:03:31,079 --> 01:03:39,839
H so so that the video audience can hear

1316
01:03:36,920 --> 01:03:41,559
you um we've had one applicant that

1317
01:03:39,838 --> 01:03:44,318
applies every year who qualifies who's

1318
01:03:41,559 --> 01:03:46,880
been granted it over the years there

1319
01:03:44,318 --> 01:03:52,480
have been maybe three applicants who

1320
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:57,079
have just been way way higher and we

1321
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:59,000
denied so do do we know if there's uh I

1322
01:03:57,079 --> 01:04:01,359
mean that sounds really low especially

1323
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:03,798
even for our community of 12,000 people

1324
01:04:01,358 --> 01:04:05,960
it seems Seems like we might have more

1325
01:04:03,798 --> 01:04:08,000
people out there I would imagine but I

1326
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:10,278
don't even get a lot of inquiries about

1327
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:12,039
it and we don't advertise though right

1328
01:04:10,278 --> 01:04:14,960
it's not something it's on our website

1329
01:04:12,039 --> 01:04:17,680
we do the resolution every year is there

1330
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:19,599
a relationship to the delinquencies tax

1331
01:04:17,679 --> 01:04:21,199
delinquencies in the in the township but

1332
01:04:19,599 --> 01:04:24,440
do any of those come through hardship

1333
01:04:21,199 --> 01:04:27,719
delinquencies or that's for anything

1334
01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:27,720
like that that's separate

1335
01:04:28,639 --> 01:04:32,639
I was just wondering because the if if

1336
01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:34,839
somebody is delinquent in their tax

1337
01:04:32,639 --> 01:04:36,679
payment I would imagine there's probably

1338
01:04:34,838 --> 01:04:38,798
some compelling reason and if it was

1339
01:04:36,679 --> 01:04:42,038
Financial loss of a job or other things

1340
01:04:38,798 --> 01:04:45,759
that could qualify somebody for a people

1341
01:04:42,039 --> 01:04:48,960
can apply for it but

1342
01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:50,880
okay and uh and have we ever have we

1343
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:54,318
ever done a comparison to other

1344
01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:56,278
townships Like Us in the area as far as

1345
01:04:54,318 --> 01:04:59,079
where we are with the Federal minimum

1346
01:04:56,278 --> 01:05:00,519
exemption and stuff that's in the chart

1347
01:04:59,079 --> 01:05:02,920
um I've talked to other assessors and

1348
01:05:00,519 --> 01:05:05,199
I've looked at other municipalities in

1349
01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:09,680
the area and we're pretty much in line

1350
01:05:05,199 --> 01:05:09,679
with what our neighboring units

1351
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:18,519
do have have we ever um so we're we're

1352
01:05:16,199 --> 01:05:22,199
just taking a minimum on the the federal

1353
01:05:18,519 --> 01:05:23,920
minimum as far as the poverty level is

1354
01:05:22,199 --> 01:05:26,519
we're using the federal income

1355
01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:29,119
guidelines right okay and and we we have

1356
01:05:26,519 --> 01:05:31,318
the ability though to raise that if we

1357
01:05:29,119 --> 01:05:33,760
felt like we should in the township

1358
01:05:31,318 --> 01:05:35,719
right could I mean there's not a law

1359
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:36,960
that says that we would have to just

1360
01:05:35,719 --> 01:05:38,519
can't be lower than the federal just

1361
01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:40,559
can't be lower than the federal okay so

1362
01:05:38,519 --> 01:05:41,719
we're taking the Baseline which means I

1363
01:05:40,559 --> 01:05:44,359
think it was

1364
01:05:41,719 --> 01:05:47,959
14,000 something for one person in a

1365
01:05:44,358 --> 01:05:50,239
house 15 15 something around

1366
01:05:47,960 --> 01:05:54,318
that so

1367
01:05:50,239 --> 01:05:56,000
okay um all right I I just uh that's

1368
01:05:54,318 --> 01:05:59,880
that's helpful cuz this is my my first

1369
01:05:56,000 --> 01:06:04,599
time dealing with the poverty exemption

1370
01:05:59,880 --> 01:06:07,200
um and I would hope that we could I mean

1371
01:06:04,599 --> 01:06:09,000
I would hope we could Market this a

1372
01:06:07,199 --> 01:06:11,000
little better it seems like I mean I was

1373
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:13,318
on the campaign Trail talking to

1374
01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:16,639
Veterans who own homes and other things

1375
01:06:13,318 --> 01:06:18,558
dis veterans they can apply of course

1376
01:06:16,639 --> 01:06:21,759
exemption as well that's something but

1377
01:06:18,559 --> 01:06:23,720
knowing that and knowing you know I mean

1378
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:26,200
putting it on the website's a great step

1379
01:06:23,719 --> 01:06:28,838
don't get me wrong but just being able

1380
01:06:26,199 --> 01:06:30,719
to communicate uh these things maybe in

1381
01:06:28,838 --> 01:06:33,078
a newsletter or things like that that

1382
01:06:30,719 --> 01:06:35,679
people are getting could be in advance

1383
01:06:33,079 --> 01:06:37,798
to advances I'm not trying to say that I

1384
01:06:35,679 --> 01:06:39,598
I'm hoping we don't look at and the

1385
01:06:37,798 --> 01:06:42,440
reason I'm bringing it up is because

1386
01:06:39,599 --> 01:06:45,079
we're in hard Economic Times right now

1387
01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:48,480
this country in the last four years has

1388
01:06:45,079 --> 01:06:51,400
been brutalized economically and

1389
01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:54,079
anything we can do for our residents to

1390
01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:55,798
get out the message that if you are

1391
01:06:54,079 --> 01:06:57,599
suffering hard times because because of

1392
01:06:55,798 --> 01:07:00,159
a job loss or other things which a lot

1393
01:06:57,599 --> 01:07:02,760
of people are they may be able to take

1394
01:07:00,159 --> 01:07:05,038
advantage of this for a period of time

1395
01:07:02,760 --> 01:07:08,278
until they come off off that poverty

1396
01:07:05,039 --> 01:07:09,920
exemption criteria and that's why I was

1397
01:07:08,278 --> 01:07:11,639
that's the only reason I'm asking all

1398
01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:13,318
these other questions because I'm

1399
01:07:11,639 --> 01:07:14,879
curious to see if there's something we

1400
01:07:13,318 --> 01:07:17,639
could do as a Township to help the

1401
01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:20,119
residents uh that may qualify that

1402
01:07:17,639 --> 01:07:23,199
haven't come forward yet yeah you guys

1403
01:07:20,119 --> 01:07:23,200
want to put it in the

1404
01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:30,480
newsletter anything

1405
01:07:26,519 --> 01:07:33,119
yeah I mean most individuals in

1406
01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:35,960
general when you look at this poverty

1407
01:07:33,119 --> 01:07:38,720
level and what what they're eligible

1408
01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:41,639
for they understand what they're

1409
01:07:38,719 --> 01:07:44,639
eligible for if they're on assistance um

1410
01:07:41,639 --> 01:07:48,358
through the state um th this is

1411
01:07:44,639 --> 01:07:51,759
something they're familiar with um so it

1412
01:07:48,358 --> 01:07:54,000
is out there it's not you know a secret

1413
01:07:51,760 --> 01:07:56,079
um but in relation to what you were

1414
01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:58,639
asking Mr repetto about

1415
01:07:56,079 --> 01:08:01,480
um numbers and um helping more if you

1416
01:07:58,639 --> 01:08:04,278
look at it on this chart uh for a family

1417
01:08:01,480 --> 01:08:08,480
of eight the income is

1418
01:08:04,278 --> 01:08:10,599
52,7 120 so in our area there aren't

1419
01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:13,599
many

1420
01:08:10,599 --> 01:08:16,640
households even with one or two that are

1421
01:08:13,599 --> 01:08:19,319
at that income level so I guess I'm just

1422
01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:23,159
trying to explain to you that that is

1423
01:08:19,319 --> 01:08:25,199
why we only have one individual idea you

1424
01:08:23,158 --> 01:08:27,920
know um but I think what Alexa was

1425
01:08:25,198 --> 01:08:30,318
trying trying to um say with the Vets

1426
01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:32,039
that's a separate right no no no I'm

1427
01:08:30,319 --> 01:08:34,000
very familiar with the Michigan State

1428
01:08:32,039 --> 01:08:36,238
veterans and we yeah I've talked to a

1429
01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:38,759
number of people that take advantage of

1430
01:08:36,238 --> 01:08:42,158
that but um there there are also

1431
01:08:38,759 --> 01:08:45,000
veterans uh who are disabled after the

1432
01:08:42,158 --> 01:08:47,079
war which don't qualify for it but still

1433
01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:49,560
are paying taxes here and that might be

1434
01:08:47,079 --> 01:08:51,158
burdened with uh extra Road things

1435
01:08:49,560 --> 01:08:53,159
because their neighborhood got paved and

1436
01:08:51,158 --> 01:08:55,238
other things that that their their

1437
01:08:53,158 --> 01:08:56,838
sustenance may not and they don't know

1438
01:08:55,238 --> 01:08:59,000
about about it because when I talk to

1439
01:08:56,838 --> 01:09:00,920
them they they don't know so that's

1440
01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:03,600
that's why I'm just con I don't want to

1441
01:09:00,920 --> 01:09:05,520
make the Assumption and if there's two

1442
01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:08,039
residents or one resident out there that

1443
01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:11,040
could be helped by this is there a way

1444
01:09:08,039 --> 01:09:13,119
to be able to have some Public Service

1445
01:09:11,039 --> 01:09:15,798
Announcement during these tough Economic

1446
01:09:13,119 --> 01:09:17,960
Times to to help that it you know we can

1447
01:09:15,798 --> 01:09:20,000
find different ways to promote it yeah

1448
01:09:17,960 --> 01:09:22,600
yeah that's not an issue start by

1449
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:24,479
emailing our Township email list and

1450
01:09:22,600 --> 01:09:26,480
then they could tell tell their

1451
01:09:24,479 --> 01:09:28,000
neighbors or like that these are all

1452
01:09:26,479 --> 01:09:30,838
ways that we could really get the word

1453
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:33,119
out quickly and effectively uh with the

1454
01:09:30,838 --> 01:09:35,439
tools that we have right now you know

1455
01:09:33,119 --> 01:09:38,559
that wouldn't really be costly so but

1456
01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:41,158
but you brought up emailing residence um

1457
01:09:38,560 --> 01:09:44,359
so we do have a limit on how many emails

1458
01:09:41,158 --> 01:09:48,399
we can send out just so you're aware we

1459
01:09:44,359 --> 01:09:51,440
why because we pay for right X number

1460
01:09:48,399 --> 01:09:53,358
and that and so we when we send out an

1461
01:09:51,439 --> 01:09:55,158
email blast you know we have to be

1462
01:09:53,359 --> 01:09:57,760
mindful of that well all I'm saying is

1463
01:09:55,158 --> 01:10:00,599
that may be a good time to revisit how

1464
01:09:57,760 --> 01:10:02,400
many email blasts we allowed to for

1465
01:10:00,600 --> 01:10:04,840
these kinds of things I don't want to

1466
01:10:02,399 --> 01:10:07,279
use that cost I mean if it costs us an

1467
01:10:04,840 --> 01:10:09,159
extra $100 to communicate this important

1468
01:10:07,279 --> 01:10:10,960
program to our residents so that they

1469
01:10:09,158 --> 01:10:12,759
can tell you know they may not have

1470
01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:14,439
email but they may have a neighbor that

1471
01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:16,600
they could walk over and say hey look I

1472
01:10:14,439 --> 01:10:19,759
just heard about this program that that

1473
01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:21,679
would be my hopeful intention with uh

1474
01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:22,960
that level of communication so right

1475
01:10:21,679 --> 01:10:24,920
well I just wanted you to know that

1476
01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:27,640
there's things we have to change board

1477
01:10:24,920 --> 01:10:30,440
them yeah you know if you want to add

1478
01:10:27,640 --> 01:10:32,280
those are things to discuss could you be

1479
01:10:30,439 --> 01:10:34,399
able to tell us what it would cost to

1480
01:10:32,279 --> 01:10:38,158
have why have to get right right

1481
01:10:34,399 --> 01:10:41,119
increase in email out that for more

1482
01:10:38,158 --> 01:10:44,359
frequent emails of programs like this as

1483
01:10:41,119 --> 01:10:47,158
one one mechanism to do it if there's a

1484
01:10:44,359 --> 01:10:49,039
cost added to the newsletter uh that's

1485
01:10:47,158 --> 01:10:51,198
that's cord or what through their tax

1486
01:10:49,039 --> 01:10:52,880
whatever it might be uh you guys have

1487
01:10:51,198 --> 01:10:54,479
more experience on that on how we're

1488
01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:56,480
communicating but these might be good

1489
01:10:54,479 --> 01:11:01,399
ideas

1490
01:10:56,479 --> 01:11:01,399
okay all right all right thanks

1491
01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:11,840
Alexa all right so I'm

1492
01:11:06,198 --> 01:11:15,158
uh looking for a motion to accept the uh

1493
01:11:11,840 --> 01:11:17,560
I make a motion a motion to

1494
01:11:15,158 --> 01:11:19,479
resolve to establish guidelines for

1495
01:11:17,560 --> 01:11:22,000
granting poverty exemptions from

1496
01:11:19,479 --> 01:11:25,639
property taxes thank you we have to have

1497
01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:27,359
a roll call someone has to second

1498
01:11:25,640 --> 01:11:30,560
I'll second it

1499
01:11:27,359 --> 01:11:33,399
okay all

1500
01:11:30,560 --> 01:11:37,600
right and and now we'll have a roll call

1501
01:11:33,399 --> 01:11:41,399
her Ferguson yes GRE KS yes Jennifer

1502
01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:48,199
Eden absent Sarah dolman Jersey yes Dean

1503
01:11:41,399 --> 01:11:48,198
hos yes Chris Peta yes Pam mler yes

1504
01:11:58,719 --> 01:12:07,239
all right the uh last item on our agenda

1505
01:12:02,920 --> 01:12:09,960
is for new business is uh number four

1506
01:12:07,238 --> 01:12:11,000
the the quotes for carpet cleaning in

1507
01:12:09,960 --> 01:12:15,399
the meeting

1508
01:12:11,000 --> 01:12:20,520
room um I guess uh I'll let you take

1509
01:12:15,399 --> 01:12:23,158
over Pam here um you got you received uh

1510
01:12:20,520 --> 01:12:26,600
yep we have three quotes um one from

1511
01:12:23,158 --> 01:12:31,039
Annie's carpet cleaning for 8:35

1512
01:12:26,600 --> 01:12:33,239
535 um one from Crystal Clean Carpet

1513
01:12:31,039 --> 01:12:36,560
Care for

1514
01:12:33,238 --> 01:12:39,678
34220 then we have one from Fenton

1515
01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:39,679
Carpet Cleaning for

1516
01:12:40,158 --> 01:12:44,920
$450 what was the one we used before

1517
01:12:42,719 --> 01:12:50,039
here just under

1518
01:12:44,920 --> 01:12:51,560
$500 so the cost for us to post this was

1519
01:12:50,039 --> 01:12:56,960
$75

1520
01:12:51,560 --> 01:12:56,960
um you know to advertise that

1521
01:12:57,960 --> 01:13:03,760
so you used the middle one before we

1522
01:13:01,399 --> 01:13:06,719
have for this room right here

1523
01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:09,520
correct which one was that the middle

1524
01:13:06,719 --> 01:13:12,960
one the oh the Crystal

1525
01:13:09,520 --> 01:13:15,159
Clean no no we used modernistic they

1526
01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:16,880
didn't put a bed in this um cuz they

1527
01:13:15,158 --> 01:13:19,238
wouldn't see the bed in our local

1528
01:13:16,880 --> 01:13:22,719
newspaper or on our website a larger

1529
01:13:19,238 --> 01:13:26,718
company like that um typically

1530
01:13:22,719 --> 01:13:30,158
um we don't put anything under $500 out

1531
01:13:26,719 --> 01:13:32,039
for bed um but the board decided to put

1532
01:13:30,158 --> 01:13:35,559
it out for bid and that's why I

1533
01:13:32,039 --> 01:13:37,560
mentioned it was $75 it cost us sure to

1534
01:13:35,560 --> 01:13:39,159
put that out but we this way we did get

1535
01:13:37,560 --> 01:13:42,000
somebody loow it's right here in town

1536
01:13:39,158 --> 01:13:45,359
right is that these three a

1537
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:48,439
local F area or no well I'm curious

1538
01:13:45,359 --> 01:13:50,559
one's in Fenton one's in Grand Blank and

1539
01:13:48,439 --> 01:13:54,039
I'm not sure

1540
01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:57,199
where Crystal where where is Crystal

1541
01:13:54,039 --> 01:13:59,079
they're not local they're not no no and

1542
01:13:57,198 --> 01:13:59,960
so for like the fat and carpet cleaning

1543
01:13:59,079 --> 01:14:04,479
it says

1544
01:13:59,960 --> 01:14:07,359
450 um so it's uh $50 cheaper however we

1545
01:14:04,479 --> 01:14:09,559
actually would spend $25 more after

1546
01:14:07,359 --> 01:14:11,639
publishing versus if I had just

1547
01:14:09,560 --> 01:14:13,239
contacted modernist that and said hey

1548
01:14:11,639 --> 01:14:16,800
come

1549
01:14:13,238 --> 01:14:19,839
in you know so so in the how

1550
01:14:16,800 --> 01:14:23,600
modernistic just under

1551
01:14:19,840 --> 01:14:26,199
500 so fat and carpet cleaning is $450

1552
01:14:23,600 --> 01:14:28,880
right plus it cost $75 so next time we

1553
01:14:26,198 --> 01:14:32,879
could probably just get F carpet to do

1554
01:14:28,880 --> 01:14:32,880
it and they're cheaper than

1555
01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:38,399
modernistic $50

1556
01:14:36,158 --> 01:14:41,319
cheaper but we haven't had them so we

1557
01:14:38,399 --> 01:14:44,439
don't know what well I they do a great

1558
01:14:41,319 --> 01:14:48,359
you know I know we'll have to see you

1559
01:14:44,439 --> 01:14:49,839
know um you know it's up but I think we

1560
01:14:48,359 --> 01:14:51,599
should I think we should go with fat and

1561
01:14:49,840 --> 01:14:56,239
carpet cleaning that's the one in the

1562
01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:59,239
middle the 835 is a bit hi the other one

1563
01:14:56,238 --> 01:15:01,879
I mean ultimately your guys uh goal was

1564
01:14:59,238 --> 01:15:03,839
to find someone local um so this other

1565
01:15:01,880 --> 01:15:05,840
one is not local so that's off the list

1566
01:15:03,840 --> 01:15:09,520
so that leavs fat and carpet

1567
01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:11,719
cleaning than I make a motion we accept

1568
01:15:09,520 --> 01:15:15,040
fat and carpet

1569
01:15:11,719 --> 01:15:15,039
okay I'll

1570
01:15:15,479 --> 01:15:23,238
second all

1571
01:15:18,520 --> 01:15:26,960
right all in favor I I

1572
01:15:23,238 --> 01:15:26,959
I okay

1573
01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:34,000
all right number five is off so uh I to

1574
01:15:33,198 --> 01:15:37,158
move

1575
01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:40,520
into miscellaneous

1576
01:15:37,158 --> 01:15:40,519
business we have

1577
01:15:44,279 --> 01:15:54,039
anything all right then I'll go to uh

1578
01:15:47,600 --> 01:15:54,039
the last public remarks here um Scott

1579
01:16:00,439 --> 01:16:04,759
Scott dri White Lake Road um I want to

1580
01:16:03,158 --> 01:16:07,198
get to this workshop for the board

1581
01:16:04,760 --> 01:16:08,400
members and we're going to go back to

1582
01:16:07,198 --> 01:16:11,759
the Planning

1583
01:16:08,399 --> 01:16:14,439
Commission where this all went down you

1584
01:16:11,760 --> 01:16:17,760
guys you three guys I mean you didn't

1585
01:16:14,439 --> 01:16:19,319
work together I mean I'm very dis I was

1586
01:16:17,760 --> 01:16:21,920
very disgusted with what happened that

1587
01:16:19,319 --> 01:16:24,399
night and we as heading out the

1588
01:16:21,920 --> 01:16:26,119
door Greg when you act back in your

1589
01:16:24,399 --> 01:16:28,399
office Chris you're heading out the door

1590
01:16:26,119 --> 01:16:29,960
after you guys you know it just the way

1591
01:16:28,399 --> 01:16:30,960
it went down and I even told you Chris

1592
01:16:29,960 --> 01:16:32,439
you better get in there there going to

1593
01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:36,520
be a

1594
01:16:32,439 --> 01:16:38,119
lawsuit since then it's been nothing but

1595
01:16:36,520 --> 01:16:40,800
there's been admissions there's been

1596
01:16:38,119 --> 01:16:42,840
doubling down a newspaper

1597
01:16:40,800 --> 01:16:44,800
article saying that you guys all

1598
01:16:42,840 --> 01:16:48,560
discussed it but Greg put

1599
01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:50,679
the letter out so I mean more and more I

1600
01:16:48,560 --> 01:16:52,840
hear it just keeps incriminating it even

1601
01:16:50,679 --> 01:16:55,440
more and now I'm here tonight we're

1602
01:16:52,840 --> 01:16:57,400
going to get sued and then we get

1603
01:16:55,439 --> 01:16:59,158
blackmailed that if you don't drop a

1604
01:16:57,399 --> 01:17:01,879
censor if you no if you would have

1605
01:16:59,158 --> 01:17:05,279
dropped a censor you'd vote for it the

1606
01:17:01,880 --> 01:17:07,679
training so I mean this is this no

1607
01:17:05,279 --> 01:17:09,479
that's what you said you said I said if

1608
01:17:07,679 --> 01:17:11,319
you would have been willing to discuss

1609
01:17:09,479 --> 01:17:13,559
okay whatever it just s it don't sound

1610
01:17:11,319 --> 01:17:15,920
it still sounds like it to me okay it

1611
01:17:13,560 --> 01:17:19,239
still didn't sound good letting go yeah

1612
01:17:15,920 --> 01:17:21,560
let me talk so anyways how do you work

1613
01:17:19,238 --> 01:17:23,359
together you you guys it wasn't bad

1614
01:17:21,560 --> 01:17:26,080
enough that you did that I was upset

1615
01:17:23,359 --> 01:17:29,000
about that but then you went to talk to

1616
01:17:26,079 --> 01:17:32,519
attorney the attorney that we hired

1617
01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:36,479
for the solar a solar attorney you

1618
01:17:32,520 --> 01:17:38,960
talked yeah you did okay that's what did

1619
01:17:36,479 --> 01:17:41,359
I heard so anyways Scott careful okay

1620
01:17:38,960 --> 01:17:42,359
anyways I'm just I'm okay be careful

1621
01:17:41,359 --> 01:17:44,679
that's right that's all I'm saying

1622
01:17:42,359 --> 01:17:46,960
that's right okay Greg but you did admit

1623
01:17:44,679 --> 01:17:49,480
careful you did admit the last meeting

1624
01:17:46,960 --> 01:17:53,399
that you reached out to that same Law

1625
01:17:49,479 --> 01:17:56,119
Firm for some guidance on an issue that

1626
01:17:53,399 --> 01:17:59,719
he's contracted to do

1627
01:17:56,119 --> 01:18:01,039
you did acknowledge that so this stuff's

1628
01:17:59,719 --> 01:18:04,000
going on so if you guys are going to

1629
01:18:01,039 --> 01:18:07,079
keep doing this stuff you need the

1630
01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:08,880
training I mean not not only did you

1631
01:18:07,079 --> 01:18:11,039
leave the four people out when you did

1632
01:18:08,880 --> 01:18:13,400
this the other board members you left

1633
01:18:11,039 --> 01:18:18,319
the community out the op meeting Act is

1634
01:18:13,399 --> 01:18:20,638
for us also you understand that it's not

1635
01:18:18,319 --> 01:18:23,399
just it's not just for three against

1636
01:18:20,639 --> 01:18:25,560
four it's for us that we're so we can

1637
01:18:23,399 --> 01:18:28,359
get some out you know in

1638
01:18:25,560 --> 01:18:30,239
and we know what's going on three guys

1639
01:18:28,359 --> 01:18:32,799
doing the stuff and doing the stuff on

1640
01:18:30,238 --> 01:18:35,119
the side ain't going to help us so yes I

1641
01:18:32,800 --> 01:18:36,560
think there's some kind of training you

1642
01:18:35,119 --> 01:18:39,599
always need

1643
01:18:36,560 --> 01:18:41,360
training to deny it I mean I don't want

1644
01:18:39,600 --> 01:18:43,320
to see more Lawes we can't afford it

1645
01:18:41,359 --> 01:18:46,158
here we've already we got too many

1646
01:18:43,319 --> 01:18:48,799
lawsuits now take responsibility for

1647
01:18:46,158 --> 01:18:51,960
what the past and get this behind

1648
01:18:48,800 --> 01:18:54,440
you I mean I don't you know it just

1649
01:18:51,960 --> 01:18:57,198
looks bad I mean I it doesn't take I've

1650
01:18:54,439 --> 01:18:59,678
been on J before and for what I've seen

1651
01:18:57,198 --> 01:19:02,839
in the film and what I've seen this I'd

1652
01:18:59,679 --> 01:19:02,840
say you did

1653
01:19:07,760 --> 01:19:14,320
it

1654
01:19:10,719 --> 01:19:17,800
okay can I say two things two topics on

1655
01:19:14,319 --> 01:19:20,599
Hogan Road sure sure okay Kevin Pierce

1656
01:19:17,800 --> 01:19:23,880
from Hogan Road um I've been on Hogan

1657
01:19:20,600 --> 01:19:25,400
Road getting close to 12 years and uh

1658
01:19:23,880 --> 01:19:28,520
I've came down to the

1659
01:19:25,399 --> 01:19:30,599
township uh enough times to where I was

1660
01:19:28,520 --> 01:19:32,560
told I wasn't welcome here

1661
01:19:30,600 --> 01:19:35,120
anymore so you know I've been

1662
01:19:32,560 --> 01:19:37,239
complaining a little bit about it so

1663
01:19:35,119 --> 01:19:39,000
here's the story I I went to Deerfield

1664
01:19:37,238 --> 01:19:41,839
Township to try to get some information

1665
01:19:39,000 --> 01:19:45,639
on the pit being spring aggregate versus

1666
01:19:41,840 --> 01:19:47,639
GBM which is the current resider and she

1667
01:19:45,639 --> 01:19:49,719
openly give me the special land use

1668
01:19:47,639 --> 01:19:54,920
permit for

1669
01:19:49,719 --> 01:19:56,800
GBM and how the road went through and

1670
01:19:54,920 --> 01:19:59,158
the clerks or the deputy clerk over

1671
01:19:56,800 --> 01:20:01,039
there told me the process of it so the

1672
01:19:59,158 --> 01:20:03,439
road was set up just so everybody knows

1673
01:20:01,039 --> 01:20:05,158
this when we get further down the road

1674
01:20:03,439 --> 01:20:07,519
and I'm really appreciative that we're

1675
01:20:05,158 --> 01:20:10,039
moving in a forward Direction on this

1676
01:20:07,520 --> 01:20:11,320
but uh the road is set up for 39 trucks

1677
01:20:10,039 --> 01:20:16,238
a day to go

1678
01:20:11,319 --> 01:20:18,039
down and uh now the road is set up for

1679
01:20:16,238 --> 01:20:22,519
150 a

1680
01:20:18,039 --> 01:20:27,238
day a maximum of 350 a week and it's

1681
01:20:22,520 --> 01:20:31,199
totally up to GBM to regulate that so in

1682
01:20:27,238 --> 01:20:35,198
combination with that we have 403 houses

1683
01:20:31,198 --> 01:20:39,000
in Tyrone Woods which puts a pretty big

1684
01:20:35,198 --> 01:20:42,559
strain on it too so the recourse is to

1685
01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:44,760
dump calcium chloride on the road

1686
01:20:42,560 --> 01:20:46,239
relentlessly to get rid of the Dust but

1687
01:20:44,760 --> 01:20:48,960
it doesn't do anything with everything

1688
01:20:46,238 --> 01:20:51,799
else so that's a huge topic that we need

1689
01:20:48,960 --> 01:20:54,319
to talk about because calcium chloride

1690
01:20:51,800 --> 01:20:56,440
is pretty harmful to a number of

1691
01:20:54,319 --> 01:20:59,198
different things and I went to the

1692
01:20:56,439 --> 01:21:02,799
planning meeting last week and I was the

1693
01:20:59,198 --> 01:21:05,599
one talking and uh I I was floored when

1694
01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:07,480
Mr fiser started talking about the new

1695
01:21:05,600 --> 01:21:09,440
extraction sites if they did this and

1696
01:21:07,479 --> 01:21:12,359
they did that they did different things

1697
01:21:09,439 --> 01:21:14,399
dust the ecological changes so on so

1698
01:21:12,359 --> 01:21:18,158
forth and I'm thinking where did this

1699
01:21:14,399 --> 01:21:20,279
guy come from he's he's saying exactly

1700
01:21:18,158 --> 01:21:22,559
what's happening to the one that's

1701
01:21:20,279 --> 01:21:25,599
existing so I don't see that there's a

1702
01:21:22,560 --> 01:21:28,239
problem with tightening up our

1703
01:21:25,600 --> 01:21:32,639
and the man that's coming down our

1704
01:21:28,238 --> 01:21:34,479
road 300 times a day so I I I said the

1705
01:21:32,639 --> 01:21:39,159
legal limit for him which he's the

1706
01:21:34,479 --> 01:21:40,759
police on his pit 150 a day and the main

1707
01:21:39,158 --> 01:21:43,519
topic

1708
01:21:40,760 --> 01:21:45,760
that uh the attorney here said fiser

1709
01:21:43,520 --> 01:21:48,440
said that

1710
01:21:45,760 --> 01:21:51,360
um they're only allowed to do San and

1711
01:21:48,439 --> 01:21:52,960
gravel well just so you know in the last

1712
01:21:51,359 --> 01:21:55,359
year and a half coming the other

1713
01:21:52,960 --> 01:21:57,920
direction from the pit has been ashalt

1714
01:21:55,359 --> 01:22:01,039
and concrete and that goes the different

1715
01:21:57,920 --> 01:22:02,840
direction and it gets mined at the pit

1716
01:22:01,039 --> 01:22:05,319
and then it gets sold and it comes back

1717
01:22:02,840 --> 01:22:07,679
the other direction so when they've when

1718
01:22:05,319 --> 01:22:10,599
he talks about the company using up all

1719
01:22:07,679 --> 01:22:12,639
the material at the site he's almost

1720
01:22:10,600 --> 01:22:15,880
there on those two sections but he has

1721
01:22:12,639 --> 01:22:17,800
another 80 acres to do after this one so

1722
01:22:15,880 --> 01:22:20,800
he's going to be there a long

1723
01:22:17,800 --> 01:22:23,800
time all right can I do one more it's

1724
01:22:20,800 --> 01:22:27,079
just a short one it's about the sewer

1725
01:22:23,800 --> 01:22:29,320
plant on the Hogan Road the sewer plant

1726
01:22:27,079 --> 01:22:33,039
has been broken for 20

1727
01:22:29,319 --> 01:22:36,000
weeks I have a $1,000 a year bill for

1728
01:22:33,039 --> 01:22:37,800
the sewer plant plus it cost me $225,000

1729
01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:40,960
to get hooked up to the

1730
01:22:37,800 --> 01:22:43,079
system when you turn onto Hogan Road and

1731
01:22:40,960 --> 01:22:46,719
I feel sorry for Pam because she's right

1732
01:22:43,079 --> 01:22:50,800
close to there it's an ungodly smell and

1733
01:22:46,719 --> 01:22:52,800
it's been there broken for 20 weeks and

1734
01:22:50,800 --> 01:22:55,320
I know this because the gentleman that

1735
01:22:52,800 --> 01:22:56,719
uh do you know it was broken

1736
01:22:55,319 --> 01:22:58,920
the gentleman that maintains that

1737
01:22:56,719 --> 01:23:01,480
building told me that the carbon filters

1738
01:22:58,920 --> 01:23:03,800
are broken and they're waiting on them

1739
01:23:01,479 --> 01:23:06,039
so when you go down past there with your

1740
01:23:03,800 --> 01:23:08,320
window open even tonight it's minus 3

1741
01:23:06,039 --> 01:23:10,679
right now be sure you have your windows

1742
01:23:08,319 --> 01:23:13,960
up because it's an ungodly smell that

1743
01:23:10,679 --> 01:23:16,279
you'll take all the way to your house uh

1744
01:23:13,960 --> 01:23:18,920
it it takes 15 minutes for your body to

1745
01:23:16,279 --> 01:23:20,880
regulate to a new smell so the people

1746
01:23:18,920 --> 01:23:23,199
that live across the street okay might

1747
01:23:20,880 --> 01:23:25,159
not smell it so much all right well I'm

1748
01:23:23,198 --> 01:23:26,638
I'm a I didn't

1749
01:23:25,158 --> 01:23:31,359
it's the first I've heard the sewer was

1750
01:23:26,639 --> 01:23:31,359
broken carbon fiber so let me

1751
01:23:33,158 --> 01:23:37,039
look

1752
01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:41,639
okay

1753
01:23:37,039 --> 01:23:45,479
in andu but we'll talk later okay all

1754
01:23:41,639 --> 01:23:45,480
right uh is there anybody

1755
01:23:46,198 --> 01:23:49,198
else

1756
01:23:50,920 --> 01:23:57,560
yeah follow protocol

1757
01:23:53,319 --> 01:23:59,039
here uh Ted Merc Hogan Road um on a

1758
01:23:57,560 --> 01:24:01,000
different note I'd just like to say

1759
01:23:59,039 --> 01:24:04,000
thank you to this current board for

1760
01:24:01,000 --> 01:24:05,960
pushing this item down the uh road

1761
01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:08,439
further than we've been able to do in

1762
01:24:05,960 --> 01:24:11,880
eight years that we've been throwing

1763
01:24:08,439 --> 01:24:14,238
ourselves up against a brick wall so

1764
01:24:11,880 --> 01:24:16,840
even just getting a study done is light

1765
01:24:14,238 --> 01:24:18,158
years ahead of where we've come so far

1766
01:24:16,840 --> 01:24:19,639
and the second point that I'd like to

1767
01:24:18,158 --> 01:24:21,719
make because I think it's critically

1768
01:24:19,639 --> 01:24:23,600
important um I'm not speaking for

1769
01:24:21,719 --> 01:24:25,960
everybody on Hogan Road but I've spoken

1770
01:24:23,600 --> 01:24:28,079
to a lot people on Hogan Road and I

1771
01:24:25,960 --> 01:24:31,239
don't think that anybody has an

1772
01:24:28,079 --> 01:24:33,079
expectation of it getting paved I don't

1773
01:24:31,238 --> 01:24:35,158
think that anybody wants to cost the

1774
01:24:33,079 --> 01:24:37,399
township or even the Road

1775
01:24:35,158 --> 01:24:39,519
Commission in the last Administration

1776
01:24:37,399 --> 01:24:41,399
I've heard from $2.5 million to $6

1777
01:24:39,520 --> 01:24:44,440
million whatever number you want to pick

1778
01:24:41,399 --> 01:24:47,158
it got bigger as we asked but the point

1779
01:24:44,439 --> 01:24:49,000
being we bought a house on a dirt road

1780
01:24:47,158 --> 01:24:51,799
we're perfectly fine with living on a

1781
01:24:49,000 --> 01:24:53,679
dirt road what we didn't buy is a house

1782
01:24:51,800 --> 01:24:56,000
on a residential road that is turned

1783
01:24:53,679 --> 01:24:58,719
into an IND industrial

1784
01:24:56,000 --> 01:25:00,399
driveway so I know a lot of you know

1785
01:24:58,719 --> 01:25:03,198
what's going on I just want to say I

1786
01:25:00,399 --> 01:25:04,759
appreciate you working on it um we've

1787
01:25:03,198 --> 01:25:05,678
been killing ourselves trying to get

1788
01:25:04,760 --> 01:25:08,039
things

1789
01:25:05,679 --> 01:25:10,719
done and I've certainly talked to

1790
01:25:08,039 --> 01:25:13,679
attorneys and stuff like that but the

1791
01:25:10,719 --> 01:25:15,760
bottom line is it's going to have to be

1792
01:25:13,679 --> 01:25:17,840
the Township Board working with the road

1793
01:25:15,760 --> 01:25:20,880
commission we always just wanted to have

1794
01:25:17,840 --> 01:25:22,880
the road Declassified as a truck route

1795
01:25:20,880 --> 01:25:25,800
um as it's been said before there's many

1796
01:25:22,880 --> 01:25:28,719
other truck routes and they're paved it

1797
01:25:25,800 --> 01:25:32,320
would cause GBM to reroute their traffic

1798
01:25:28,719 --> 01:25:34,158
and we Have No Malice against GBM but we

1799
01:25:32,319 --> 01:25:36,399
just don't want to deal with your daily

1800
01:25:34,158 --> 01:25:39,319
stuff as Kevin says you can't come out

1801
01:25:36,399 --> 01:25:42,279
of your driveway and when you do you

1802
01:25:39,319 --> 01:25:44,039
can't see for 10 minutes so it's just a

1803
01:25:42,279 --> 01:25:45,439
remarkable thing you'll see it when you

1804
01:25:44,039 --> 01:25:48,399
look at that

1805
01:25:45,439 --> 01:25:50,638
video um and there's also a PowerPoint

1806
01:25:48,399 --> 01:25:52,079
as I told Chris when I gave it to him

1807
01:25:50,639 --> 01:25:54,279
that we wanted to present to the board

1808
01:25:52,079 --> 01:25:59,039
in the past and we were just said yeah

1809
01:25:54,279 --> 01:26:01,439
we know it's a problem no need so please

1810
01:25:59,039 --> 01:26:02,760
if you need a point person when you talk

1811
01:26:01,439 --> 01:26:05,678
to this person that's going to

1812
01:26:02,760 --> 01:26:07,719
investigate by all means we will feed

1813
01:26:05,679 --> 01:26:10,719
them we will clothe them we will house

1814
01:26:07,719 --> 01:26:12,319
them they can move in for a while so

1815
01:26:10,719 --> 01:26:15,480
we'll help in any way we can thank you

1816
01:26:12,319 --> 01:26:15,479
very much thank you

1817
01:26:18,760 --> 01:26:24,159
Ted all right anybody else

1818
01:26:25,439 --> 01:26:29,399
all

1819
01:26:26,520 --> 01:26:33,520
right

1820
01:26:29,399 --> 01:26:36,079
oh and see you waving your

1821
01:26:33,520 --> 01:26:40,520
face uh Janette

1822
01:26:36,079 --> 01:26:43,279
Retta um the uh Hogan Road thing I'm so

1823
01:26:40,520 --> 01:26:47,000
glad that you guys are um listening and

1824
01:26:43,279 --> 01:26:49,079
um I will just say uh just confirm what

1825
01:26:47,000 --> 01:26:51,399
um teda said I've been here for a few

1826
01:26:49,079 --> 01:26:53,840
years and asked over and over again with

1827
01:26:51,399 --> 01:26:54,799
the last Administration and we're

1828
01:26:53,840 --> 01:26:57,199
basically

1829
01:26:54,800 --> 01:26:59,800
told that nothing could be done um I'll

1830
01:26:57,198 --> 01:27:02,359
go review the video minutes but I know

1831
01:26:59,800 --> 01:27:04,760
that that's what people were told and uh

1832
01:27:02,359 --> 01:27:07,000
we also had legal representation sitting

1833
01:27:04,760 --> 01:27:10,280
here too that agreed with the last

1834
01:27:07,000 --> 01:27:12,639
supervisor um I do want to talk about

1835
01:27:10,279 --> 01:27:14,519
transparency and tomorrow night is the

1836
01:27:12,639 --> 01:27:17,800
next Planning Commission Workshop it's

1837
01:27:14,520 --> 01:27:19,880
scheduled for 6:00 p.m. it's been on the

1838
01:27:17,800 --> 01:27:21,520
Township's calendar for several months

1839
01:27:19,880 --> 01:27:24,480
when you put your your meetings out

1840
01:27:21,520 --> 01:27:26,239
there uh probably for almost a year and

1841
01:27:24,479 --> 01:27:28,198
even at last week's Planning Commission

1842
01:27:26,238 --> 01:27:29,759
meeting they discussed the workshop

1843
01:27:28,198 --> 01:27:31,559
coming up tomorrow night and mentioned

1844
01:27:29,760 --> 01:27:34,239
they already knew what would be on the

1845
01:27:31,560 --> 01:27:36,000
agenda so it's clear this workshop and

1846
01:27:34,238 --> 01:27:38,718
its topics were known to the Planning

1847
01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:41,198
Commission well in advance of

1848
01:27:38,719 --> 01:27:43,079
today meanwhile there's been a lot of

1849
01:27:41,198 --> 01:27:44,638
talk about transparency under this

1850
01:27:43,079 --> 01:27:47,198
Administration and the clerk has

1851
01:27:44,639 --> 01:27:50,800
emphasized the importance of finalizing

1852
01:27:47,198 --> 01:27:53,319
agendas and avoiding last minute changes

1853
01:27:50,800 --> 01:27:55,279
well guess what despite knowing the

1854
01:27:53,319 --> 01:27:57,238
agenda items last week must have known

1855
01:27:55,279 --> 01:27:59,079
what was going to be on it the agenda

1856
01:27:57,238 --> 01:28:02,599
was not released to the public until

1857
01:27:59,079 --> 01:28:04,600
this afternoon at 3:15 p.m. is this

1858
01:28:02,600 --> 01:28:06,679
enough time for residents to prepare for

1859
01:28:04,600 --> 01:28:09,000
a meeting that could affect their

1860
01:28:06,679 --> 01:28:11,440
property use their property values the

1861
01:28:09,000 --> 01:28:15,760
health of their families and animals and

1862
01:28:11,439 --> 01:28:15,759
the environment is this what you call

1863
01:28:16,079 --> 01:28:21,279
transparency so my point is you had the

1864
01:28:18,840 --> 01:28:24,119
agenda items today you release the

1865
01:28:21,279 --> 01:28:26,118
agenda and you say but there's no packet

1866
01:28:24,118 --> 01:28:29,158
so you've had that

1867
01:28:26,118 --> 01:28:31,319
agenda who's responsible for ensuring

1868
01:28:29,158 --> 01:28:33,960
the documentation is submitted on time

1869
01:28:31,319 --> 01:28:36,399
for the agenda and if there's a strict

1870
01:28:33,960 --> 01:28:39,279
deadline for agenda submissions someone

1871
01:28:36,399 --> 01:28:41,879
didn't meet it so who's accountable for

1872
01:28:39,279 --> 01:28:43,319
that I'm requesting that you cancel the

1873
01:28:41,880 --> 01:28:46,000
meeting for tomorrow night and this is

1874
01:28:43,319 --> 01:28:48,158
the reason why I hate to see meetings

1875
01:28:46,000 --> 01:28:50,000
being cancelled but you didn't follow

1876
01:28:48,158 --> 01:28:52,519
your own rules about transparency and

1877
01:28:50,000 --> 01:28:54,600
deadlines and the short notice does not

1878
01:28:52,520 --> 01:28:57,080
give residents enough time to review the

1879
01:28:54,600 --> 01:28:59,560
documentation or prepare for the agenda

1880
01:28:57,079 --> 01:29:01,238
items even if you release the missing

1881
01:28:59,560 --> 01:29:03,600
documentation tomorrow morning that

1882
01:29:01,238 --> 01:29:05,959
still isn't enough time for residents to

1883
01:29:03,600 --> 01:29:08,639
engage meaningfully and many residents

1884
01:29:05,960 --> 01:29:10,239
may not even realize there's a meeting

1885
01:29:08,639 --> 01:29:13,520
because you didn't announce it until

1886
01:29:10,238 --> 01:29:15,039
late this afternoon so I would request

1887
01:29:13,520 --> 01:29:17,080
that you do that I think that's only

1888
01:29:15,039 --> 01:29:19,039
fair and it's in alignment with

1889
01:29:17,079 --> 01:29:21,000
everything else that you've talked about

1890
01:29:19,039 --> 01:29:24,158
transparency and another thing that

1891
01:29:21,000 --> 01:29:25,960
people need to know why Hogan Road is

1892
01:29:24,158 --> 01:29:27,960
concerned uh one of the other things

1893
01:29:25,960 --> 01:29:30,480
that they're concerned about many people

1894
01:29:27,960 --> 01:29:34,239
don't know that the Planning Commission

1895
01:29:30,479 --> 01:29:37,319
is looking to add another 160 acres to

1896
01:29:34,238 --> 01:29:40,279
the solar overlay map and that's going

1897
01:29:37,319 --> 01:29:43,920
to be right on Hogan Road it will be on

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01:29:40,279 --> 01:29:47,279
both sides of lynen Road and that

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01:29:43,920 --> 01:29:49,920
traffic and that uh the construction

1900
01:29:47,279 --> 01:29:52,759
everything is going to impact Hogan Road

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01:29:49,920 --> 01:29:54,440
even more so now the resident should

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01:29:52,760 --> 01:29:56,679
know and this is what's on the agenda

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01:29:54,439 --> 01:29:59,118
tomorrow night is looking at even more

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01:29:56,679 --> 01:30:01,399
land that's south of there people need

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01:29:59,118 --> 01:30:03,839
to know what's on this agenda they don't

1906
01:30:01,399 --> 01:30:06,399
know and I'm asking you in light of

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01:30:03,840 --> 01:30:10,199
transparency to be fair cancel the

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01:30:06,399 --> 01:30:10,198
meeting for tomorrow night thank

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[Music]

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01:30:17,960 --> 01:30:23,118
you let's do that in case somebody else

1911
01:30:21,520 --> 01:30:24,880
I hope that you guys will discuss this

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cuz that's

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01:30:24,880 --> 01:30:28,400
is there is there anybody

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01:30:29,719 --> 01:30:34,079
else nobody else all

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01:30:34,600 --> 01:30:41,800
right I'm looking for a motion for to

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01:30:38,238 --> 01:30:41,799
adjourn meeting I make a

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01:30:42,000 --> 01:30:48,039
motion a

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second all in favor I

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01:30:48,039 --> 01:30:55,359
I all

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01:30:51,158 --> 01:30:55,359
right thank you

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thank sayfe drive

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home hey stop have any snowball fights

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01:31:07,359 --> 01:31:10,198
along the way

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01:31:12,760 --> 01:31:16,039
okay tried

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01:31:20,840 --> 01:31:28,199
it oh that Z and you need to understand

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01:31:25,560 --> 01:31:29,320
that and you cannot sit here and let me

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01:31:28,198 --> 01:31:32,238
be

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ATT that I'm not

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01:31:32,238 --> 01:31:37,519
doing how are

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you I'm

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okays all the